Sleepovers With Uncle Jeff

The cardiologist traded on his status as a doctor to fondle young girls

Lamb says the girls quickly recanted and, as far as Buck knew, the whole mess was over. He adds that when Buck was served with the civil suit, which used pseudonyms for the girls and their parents, he had no idea who they could be. Moreover, Lamb says, Buck was never present at any of the incidents and therefore couldn't have been aware of Klem's actions. Lamb also carried forth with the medical motif: "The parents expressed doubt and the pastor understandably, you know, wasn't sure what they were even saying, inasmuch as Dr. Klem is a ­cardiologist."

When asked what Klem's job had to do with any allegations, Lamb betrayed a profound misunderstanding of the difference between "good touching" and "bad touching."

Don't worry — Dr. Klem is not a registered sex offender.
Courtesy Jefferson County Sheriff's Office
Don't worry — Dr. Klem is not a registered sex offender.
Jeff and Beth Klem were a model couple at New Life Tabernacle.
Jeff and Beth Klem were a model couple at New Life Tabernacle.

"You're going to someone saying, 'This doctor touched me on my chest,'" he said. "My doctor touches me on my chest, I don't think anything about it."

While it's not clear if Lamb's doctor ever touched him during a sleepover, Ashlee and Brea say they have a clear memory of what it meant to spend the night with Uncle Jeff.

After a fun day at the beach in Galveston, Ashlee, Brea and Ashlyn spent the night at Jeff and Beth's home. While Beth was reading a book in the bedroom, the girls were in another room, watching The Ring. That's when Klem strolled in, still in his scrubs, Ashlee recalls.

She asked, "'Uncle Jeff, I'm scared, will you lay beside me?' And when he came to lay beside me, he got under the covers. Well, I didn't think much of it because I was like, 'This is my uncle, it's not a big deal.'"

But then it did become a big deal. According to Ashlee, Klem then put his arm around her waist. It made her uncomfortable, so she hopped out of bed and went to the refrigerator for a handful of tiny ice cubes the girls liked to eat. After she collected herself, she returned to bed. Next, Klem moved his hand toward her chest.

Needing another break, Ashlee again hopped out of bed and threw on a bra. Back in bed, Klem moved his hand beneath the bra. This called for more ice cubes. Ashlee padded to the kitchen and back, and Klem continued his thing.

Ashlee needed some moral support. She asked Brea to come to the kitchen with her. That's when Ashlee explained what happened. She said she had to tell her parents and Aunt Beth.

Ashlee recalls her sister saying, "'No, don't do that. It won't work. That'll just make Beth really mad...so don't tell her.'"

That's when nine-year-old Brea offered to take the hit.

"She said, 'Well, I'll get back into bed with Jeff because he's put his hands down my pants before,'" Ashlee says. "She knew that I had never been messed with, nothing had ever been wrong with me. So she was just going to take it for me."

But Ashlee told her mother, causing an unfortunate chain reaction.

Lisa Treadway recalls: "When I told Les what had happened, Les believed me. But we both knew that it was going to be horrible...Jeff is Brother Treadway's pet. Jeff was a doctor. Everybody loves Jeff. It was hard to believe, but my daughter had never lied to me."

Ashlee told Ashlyn, who pretended not to believe her.

"Beth was all she had," Ashlee says of Ashlyn. "And she just adored Beth and didn't know what would happen, you know, if Beth knew she took my side."

She also told her stepcousin, another one of Buck's granddaughters via Kathie. The girl said the same thing happened to her. And then she didn't. She recanted, leaving Ashlee and Brea on their own.

It proved too much for the girls. The day after Leslie and Lisa met with Buck, they woke up crying, curled into fetal positions. The girls were afraid Paw-Paw and Sweetie — their names for Buck and Patsy — were mad at them. Lisa says she wasn't sure what to do, so she called Patsy, who came over immediately. Both Lisa and the girls are certain of what happened next.

They say Patsy suggested the girls had a crush on Klem. Maybe it'd be best if they called Uncle Jeff right now and apologized for lying, she said.

Ashlee says she told Klem, "I'm sorry that it happened, but I'm not sorry for telling my mom."

Brea says that, after she got on the phone to apologize, Klem had an apology of his own. "He said to me, 'I'm sorry about my bad hands,' and nobody heard him. So I knew he knew what he did. And that was pretty pathetic for him to say that."

So boom, it never happened. Ashlee started making herself vomit after meals, but it didn't last long. Lisa moved her back to Louisiana. It cost her a marriage, but she couldn't leave Ashlee around Buck, Patsy, Beth and Klem.

While Patsy chose to believe her granddaughters were lying, the girls would get to address Klem in open court after he admitted to touching them.

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  • Joe hoppingbob 07/22/2011 3:42:00 AM

    sad, sad, for this to happen to children, i don,t understand why the pastor would up hold this to happen to his grandchildren, most pastors supposed to seek god if this was going on in the church he pastors, especially his own grandchildren, i was rasised pentecostal an the preachers all over are doing a lot of bad things, they claim p m s is the cause power, money, an sex is their down fall a reptuable minster in texas told me that years ago the u p c said if a minster had p m s he need not apply for a minster s license, times have really changed

  • Karen 06/16/2009 9:44:00 AM

    In my opinion of this whole fiasco,I think the little girls were prostituting this Dr. Jeff Klem every chance they could.I feel the reason why Ashlyn kept going to get more ice is because she was making sure Aunt Beth did'nt catch them in the act. Those little imps lured the man into their room and even asked him to lay down with them because they were afraid. YEAH RIGHT!!! If UNK was a BID BAD WOLF, then why for pete sake did them little girls always want to go stay with UNK and AUNTIE? It don't take a rocket scientist to know what the girls were up to. They lured him and he fell for it which was totally wrong. Every one of the girls should have to certainly apologize to Klem as well. They are ALL equally GUILTY of the crime. You KIDS should be ashamed of yourselves and KLEM, you should have not taken hold of the JAILBAIT.From the Pastor on down and to all involved, its not your head thats messed up, its your HEART.

  • Ashley Sylvester 04/17/2009 8:23:00 PM

    Buck Treadway...man of god...Im not sure how those can even be in the same sentence. As a former mindless sheep of this sick s.o.b. I am disgusted and confused that there are still people who can defend this man!! This is a five time convicted felon and your so called man of god picks a child molester over his own grandchildren. Man of god?? Im not sure who that is but I am sure that he is not related to buck. There is no defending someone who casts his own flesh and blood out into the cold and protects a child molester. Sick and twisted is what describes that man and I truly feel sorry for anyone who is still blind enough to follow the Gimp with a Limp. As a rebuked sheep of his flock I am truly grateful to have been rebuked in order to show me the real truth. Buck the a**hole is nothing more that a bitter, money hungry, "false prophet". I am looking forward to seeing him again though...so I can let him know exactly how I feel about him and his so called annointing.

  • Jason 09/03/2008 12:43:00 AM

    Women and children have to do little more than make an allegation, and men are lynched by DA's and the media. Consider the Duke case. A women said she was raped, and men that had achieved greatness saw it all come to an end with their professor's applauding it. What happen to the presumption of innocents? Oh yeah its men being screwed over so who cares right? I am finishing up my law degree and when finished I will represent men everywhere anytime I can even pro-bono to stop this injustice. Enough men have suffered its time to fight back. When a women only spends 60 days in jail for murdering her husband (Winkler), and women had leave their sons/grandson's in a car to cook to death with NO CHARGES at all, don't tell me there is gender-justice in America. prove something happen to these girls or STFU.

  • Deadend 07/03/2008 5:47:00 AM

    Just a reflection----- Comment # 434 you are so right again wonder if somebody will check the books on that one I remember a bunch of wool shaved for the kids on that one funny Buck & Chuck wouldn't get shaved though Wonder if cass remembers swallowing that gold fish for the kids? Where do they stand now? Never mind its quite clear! Its all becoming clear NOW! Don't blame this on THE KING! Those little kids belong to THE KING TOO!!! HIS sins will find him out too!!! Just like Jeff!!! He who covers his sins will not be "granted prosperity" #433. It will stop! Just wait and see it's just a matter of time! and folk I think the time just might be here! Looks like every stone people. Should'a leave those little kids alone!!! funny how the LAW works and TRUTH it moves slowly but when they move together they can't be stopped and time has a way of breaking the back of Denial and disbelief! as you can see reading over these comments again after all that has come around the courts are right on target!

  • Believer 04/24/2008 10:52:00 PM

    (These are my individual opinions) The girls have been through hell, and it is Klem that deserved the hell! A plea was the easiet way for the girls but Klem got the "sweet deal" I can tell you if he goes to trial in Beaumont he is a cooked duck! We don't like child molesters here and he has already admitted his guilt under oath to GOD for all of us to see. He is guilty and he will HANG! I hope Judge Keel burns his ass! Make him register, loose his license, and go to JAIL. Plus he thinks hiring Dick DeGuerin is going to save his ass, well Jefferson County don't care who you hire we have a great team of prosecutors and some great Judges and his Harris County attorney does not change his admit of guilt. He voluntarily admitted his guilt and there is no taking that back. If amuses me that he says he was scared....how ironic the girls he molested are the ones that were scared. He does not even know what scared means. He better be scared of what is to come when his "butt" becomes the talk of inmates waiting on fresh meat! Buck, Patsy, Beth and all others that support this child molester you will edure your own hurts and you deserve all the pain that will come. You will pay one way or another in time. I hope these families sue and get a BIG RETURN. They should sue Buck, the church, and Klem personally. It amazes me that adults would criticize these girls. I want the girls and their parents to know I along with many other people that know the legal woes of sexual assault cases commend their efforts and strength. You adults that are brainwashed by the Treadways are simply CRAZED. This church and the members that support New Life are total idiots. If you think you get to heaven by doing what "BUCK" says then you deserve him. This guy sounds like a total jerk and the UPC better get a grip. If I were a member and even suspected my child was injured at the church or by BUCKS son-in-law I would step forward in a heart beat. I firmly believe "BUCK" knew Klem was a child molester and over looked it because he was a CARDIOLOGIST. I hope his ass burns in hell for allowing this to continue. BUCK is just as guilty as Klem and who is to say he doesn't molest kids himself? If he is so controlling then he could do what ever he wants and get away with it because his congregation is brain-washed! Who does this BUCK GUY think he is? Maybe we need to focus on him and find out if he is involved in any illegal acts or activity. It seems this Buck Guy has too much control. You people better wake up and smell the coffee and see that these girls deserve a BIG PAT ON THE BACK for standing up to the church and their grandfather, "BUCK". This was a tough job and they did it. Klem and Buck need to BURN IN HELL! I do not belong to the New Life Church and never will! (this comment is my opinion and my individual thoughts)

  • proud member of NLT 04/09/2008 2:31:00 PM

    Only 5 more days yall !!!!!!

  • Sad 03/25/2008 2:18:00 AM

    In my daughter's quest to find God, she came across religion and "christians". She is now an atheist.

  • ThePeopleBusiness 02/11/2008 5:19:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Poll: Would you let Dr. Klem treat your child? Voters: 13 Yes ------------------- 1 (7%) No ------------------- 12 (92%) Only if I was present - 0 (0%)

  • The People Business 12/27/2007 6:42:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Poll: Would you let Dr. Klem treat your child? Voters: 10 Yes ------------------ 1 (10%) No ------------------- 9 (90%) Only if I was present - 0 (0%)

  • jewell 12/26/2007 1:18:00 AM

    I have not, up until this point made any public comment on this very, very sad situation, but I now have to say... I have noticed, while reading some of the vile, vicious things people are saying, that it seems most of you have lost sight of what started all of this ugliness... A very sick man (I use the term "man" very loosely) who perpetrated a horrible crime on at least 5 INNOCENT girls. (The statitics are that when a pedophile is finally caught, he has already molested at least 100 children.) If I had the ability, I would erase all the bitter, nasty comments on this page & replace them with love & support for the VICTIMS & their PROTECTIVE PARENTS. Why don't the few of you who are consumed with these postings just exchange screen-names & emails and just keep all of your nastiness to yourselves? It would be better for all concerned.

  • unknown 12/20/2007 11:50:00 PM

    'Twas the night before Christmas, and down at the jail Jeffrey Klem was sorting through prisoner mail. His hands were in shackles, his feet were in chains, A small price to pay for causing such pain. No Christmas eve dinner, and losing all hope, His only true friend was a bar of old soap. His wife didn't write, nor did his family call, He could only pray and play basketball. So he stood at the shower, holding his soap; He didn't even bother getting a rope. He'd have Christmas eve, dinner and all, His spirit lived on, despite steel bars and walls. Tonight, there'd be good times; he wasn't alone. HAM was for Rico...and Jeff got the BONE. Merry Christmas, you nasty quack!!!!

  • whatever 12/13/2007 7:19:00 PM

    To #532 (loud & obnoxious) or whatever your name is. Is this really the best response you could come up with... should have saved yourself the trouble. Not that I really expected that you would actually respond with a valid point that was even relative to the subject being discussed. Or even a response that others could make some kind of sense of, would be a refreshing change coming from you... even if it wasn't relative. Do yourself a favor and just quit talking. Everytime you open your mouth it becomes more obvious to everyone (but you of course) that you have some pretty serious issues. And not much in the way of intelligence to assist you in working thru them. Don't bother responding, I'm not interested in engaging with you further. You need help, but it's unlikely that you will ever come down out of your clouds of delusion long enough to be able to see this. So enjoy your wonderful life of ignorance is bliss, but stop trying to bombard the lives of others with your insanity. It's tiring. Oh, and BTW I was watching my language, and I said exactly what I meant to say. Sometimes there's no other way to get it said .. so deal with it. If your an ass your an ass. If you don't like to be called one, it's simple.. dont be one. P.S. you don't have to post a message at all... please don't. In fact why dont you go and find that "normal gutter talk site" you were referring to. I think that just might be a much more approriate place for you to spew your rambling non-sense. And just in case you don't know it... these things I am saying to you ... are not funny, so LOL all you want. But I assure you that is not the answer to any of your issues. I suppose that is why you are as dysfunctional as you are. You apparently think that denying reality, and laughing it off will make it all go away... I do hope that you will rethink that. For your sake

  • unknown 12/13/2007 4:11:00 PM

    Grace & Mercy, please see comment #112 regarding your comments #104-109 and #111 before instructing others on how to use this site. If this is not the normal gutter talk site then why are so many pentecostals here gossiping and defending a pedophile that still hides in their midst?

  • Grace & Mercy 12/13/2007 3:51:00 AM

    Haha, so you don't have trouble with different opinions. LOL. You may want to consider watching your language (#529 whatever) this is not your normal gutter talk site. P.S. you only have to post your message once

  • whatever 12/12/2007 5:17:00 PM

    Absolutely not, I have no problem whatsoever dealing with differences in opinion. I do, however find people like you disgusting and without class. I have never suffered fools very gladly, thus my problem with you. And for future reference, don't mistake the vile that you go around vomiting out, on anyone that will listen... for freedom, it's just plain ignorance. Sure you have the freedom to act like a fool if you like... but at the end of the day... your just another fool shining their ass.

  • whatever 12/12/2007 5:17:00 PM

    Absolutely not, I have no problem whatsoever dealing with differences in opinion. I do, however find people like you disgusting and without class. I have never suffered fools very gladly, thus my problem with you. And for future reference, don't mistake the vile that you go around vomiting out, on anyone that will listen... for freedom, it's just plain ignorance. Sure you have the freedom to act like a fool if you like... but at the end of the day... your just another fool shining their ass.

  • whatever 12/12/2007 5:16:00 PM

    Absolutely not, I have no problem whatsoever dealing with differences in opinion. I do, however find people like you disgusting and without class. I have never suffered fools very gladly, thus my problem with you. And for future reference, don't mistake the vile that you go around vomiting out, on anyone that will listen... for freedom, it's just plain ignorance. Sure you have the freedom to act like a fool if you like... but at the end of the day... your just another fool shining their ass.

  • Grace & Mercy 12/12/2007 8:10:00 AM

    #522 It sounds to me like you detest anyone having an opinion that does not match your own. Too bad! That is the thing called freedom here in America. If you dislike others having opinions different than yours, then there are parts of the world where your philosophy fits right in. If you can't take the heat here, then please let me know if you need help buying your ticket....

  • unknown 12/11/2007 8:11:00 AM

    britanny is the last person to be calling any one else dysfunctional with her screwd up marrage and retarded sons

  • unknown 12/11/2007 8:07:00 AM

    britanny is the last person to be calling any one else dysfunctional with her screwd up marrage and retarded sons

  • One wonders??? 12/11/2007 3:06:00 AM

    To #116/119 Brittany. I normally don't get involved in such as this... however, after reading your comments I decided that I would. First let me say that I don't know you (thank God) or any thing about you. Other than, of course that you appear to be one that enjoys very much being part of the feeding frenzy's such as we have witnessed here on this comment site. And it doesn't surprise me that one such as yourself would feel right at home in a church like NLT. Having said this, I would like to point out to you that you have foolishly and very publicly exposed how disfunctional you really are. In your attempts to defend and protect a pediphile... and he is just that, that is not heresay, it is facts, and I know. You, yourself attacked very vigorously the victims and their families. I am very aware of all the facts in this case, and I read quote after quote from you as you very slanderously accused all of them of things that are not only "not the facts", but quite simply nothing more than fabricated fantasy and lies that clearly came from none other than the accused and those that support the accused. If you would indulge me, I would like to bring in some exact quotes from your comments at this time. ..." Remember it is quite slanderous to be �convicting� him of anything other than that. Did someone appoint you judge and jury? Have you forgotten the mote that is in your own eye? Most semi-intelligent persons look at ALL the factbefore drawing conclusions." ... I ask you, are you not the one that wrote this. Considering this, are you then calling yourself less than a semi-intelligent person? Because clearly you did not look at facts, rather you chose to get on your self righteous soap box and speak of supposed facts about people and things you clearly know nothing about. So I ask you, and I quote (you)... who appointed you judge and jury?? Who even asked for your opinion at all? Seems to me this doesn't concern you and clearly your "not intelligent" enough, not to mention "not aware" enough to even HAVE AN OPINION, if in fact it had been solicited. You also spoke of supposed "public knowledge" concerning these children being "sexcrazed" and were way before they met Klem. If this is so, these children would have had to have been sexcrazed before the ages of 9-11. I dont know how 9 and 11 year olds act where you come from, but I assure you such was not the case in this situation. And you are a foolish individual if you have allowed yourself to be convinced otherwise. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. Funny how that doesn't seem to even slow you down. Oh no, you then go on to say (in all your wisdom lol) that "these children were not at complete fault considering the parents such as they have"(how forgiving of you... its just that once again I must ask you, who appointed you judge?) I happen to know for a fact that you don't even know their parents... nor do most of these parents know you. So how is it that you are in any way qualified to publicly proclaim yourself to be an authority or to know anything at all in fact (factual) about these people. And then as if that wasn't enough... you go on to say ... "It makes my heart skip a beat to think how fast these allegations could have been projected onto some of you or your husbands!!" ... Exactly what are you saying? It sounds to me as if you are boldly accusing these girls and their parents of malicously attacking an innocent man because they are money hungry, and sue happy, and they want nothing other than to ruin a "good man's" life????? You obviously know nothing at all about the damage that is done to a child that has been sexually abused! These parents dont want anybody's money... they want their children to somehow find healing and the strength to overcome all that is theirs to overcome, because of the selfish and careless perverted acts that were imposed upon them. No, not by their parents... by those that you stand so foolishly in support of. FYI the only ones that are left wondering, and once again I quote (you).. "most are left wondering who could possibly be making this stuff up" are those of you that are finding every means possible to blind yourself at all cost to the truth, ..WHY? I don't know? But if I were to quess I would say it's because you yourself are too fearful and weak to accept the reality of this case... perhaps because it would require of you too to question your belief system at the very core of who you are. One wonders???

  • whatever 12/11/2007 12:26:00 AM

    Hey Grace and Mercy...lol. I'm sick and tired of you blathering on with the most ignorant stupidity I've ever heard. You obviously know absolutely nothing about GRACE or MERCY... and frankly it's offensive to me and others to have you impose your cluelessness on us over and over again. You are obviously either married to the accused or kin to the one that is. That's pretty clear. However, if you are going to continue to show your ignorance at least change your name to something more approriate... like maybe clueless and unaware... or judgemental and justified... or deaf, dumb, blind... AND STUPID. Please, do yourself a favor... as well as everybody else and just shut up. Your too ignorant to even form a opinion worthy of voicing... Go away.

  • whatever 12/11/2007 12:23:00 AM

    Hey Grace and Mercy...lol. I'm sick and tired of you blathering on with the most ignorant stupidity I've ever heard. You obviously know absolutely nothing about GRACE or MERCY... and frankly it's offensive to me and others to have you impose your cluelessness on us over and over again. You are obviously either married to the accused or kin to the one that is. That's pretty clear. However, if you are going to continue to show your ignorance at least change your name to something more approriate... like maybe clueless and unaware... or judgemental and justified... or deaf, dumb, blind... AND STUPID. Please, do yourself a favor... as well as everybody else and just shut up. Your too ignorant to even form a opinion worthy of voicing... Go away.

  • Kim Guthrie 12/08/2007 11:54:00 PM

    Wow I am shocked and saddened by the contents of this comment blog. I used to go to NLT and it was an awesome church. We all need to focus on the facts and the facts are that Dr. Klem pled guilty and he must pay the price for his crime. My heart is broken for these young ladies who will never regain their innocence. I am sure Bro. Treadway did not know how to handle the situation as he has been very ill and he always gives everyone a second chance. I am praying for a resolution to this matter so that this wonderful family can be brought back together. Some of you on here are really giving the Pentecostal religion a bad name, think about what you are posting. Peace, Love, and Merry Christmas!

  • Nathaniel Hawthorne 12/08/2007 9:45:00 PM

    I wrote about this in the mid 19th Century. The title of my essay was "Young Goodman Brown".

  • professional 12/08/2007 9:06:00 PM

    I would like to say that....I attended NLT for awhile. I am very aware of how Pentecostal Preacher's and their homes work for I was a PK myself. I am saddened by the shift of focus of the real problem here....THE GIRLS. They were violated and the DR pled guilty. End of story. Now...having gone thru a similar situation when I was a child in my dad's church, crap is swept under the carpet and the vicitims become more victimized by the church and others. WHAT about the girls?? NO ONE is even saying how they can help them. They NEED counseling and help so they can move on. I am a professional and work in the Houston area school system, mainly inner city. I deal with these type of children on a daily basis. Let the girls heal and move on! STOP your accusations towards them. At age 9-11, hell, they are innocent angels and this monster took their innocense away! HOWEVER...the whole reason we have a justice system and democracy in the USA is for cases as such. One of the whole reasons/grievences for our founding fathers of the good ol USA to declare independence from Britian was for the right to have a trial by jury. DR used the justice system just like anyone else. Its all based on laws and technicalities. Let justice do it's thing. Sometimes it's unfair, by hey, I sat thru a trial once where a known theif and repeated offender got off of a purse theft charge because of technicality. That's the way our justice system works sometime. BUT the real focus SHOULD be focused on getting help for these girls to move on...these girls are precious ( I know most of them....and they would know me too). As for NLT, it was an awesome church when I went there. The people were nice, although very few took an interest in my family except the Johnson's, Pippins (all of them), a few other families and most of the Treadway family. Mrs. Treadways was always so nice to us. The nasty exchange of derrogatory remarks toward each other on this forum is really making NLT members bad and not representing NLT in a positive manner. More importantly, it sure is casting a bad light on Christians in general. HOWEVER, I do understand people wanting to defend their pastor and church, but likewise, I understand the flip side of that coin, having seen MISMANAGEMENT of funds and high living styles of UPCI preachers, in general. I've witnessed both sides of the issue. I lived in the "fishbowl" of a preacher's home. I saw the blood, sweat, tears and money put into the church, only to see members stab our family in the back ....and even in later years, burn our house down. I've also witness the high and lofty side as well. Where the preacher is ALL about the money and tithes....not about the members. I've witnessed a lot of bad mouthing the church members yet taking their money.(not from my dad)...but as married into high ranking UPC family. I've seen a lot of crap swept under the carpet as well. SO ....I sympathize and empathize with both sides of this story. I cannot take sides, as far as the church and pastor issues go, BUT I can SIDE with the victims due to FACTS and the guilty confession. The girls are the issue and they need help. One more thing, I still believe in the UPCI general doctrine of salvation, however, due to constant issues, as such stated in this forum, that I've experienced over and over in many UPC churches and in my family, I am not raising my kids in a UPC church, rather, we attend either NON-Denoms and Baptist churches. Anyhow, church, God and doctrine should be taught in the home and church is just for the assembling. YOU get it AT HOME.....that's where I got it all....I am very sound in the doctrine beliefs because of HOME...not Sunday School fun time. Just remember, the girls are the victims here....the church is NOT on trial...and I understand how the Pastor got involved legally, just as my dad did.... BUT JUST LIKE PROFESSIONALS.....Pastors are LEGALLY BOUND by the LAW to report ANY kind of abuse. No way out of that one. I know it sometimes put the Pastor between a rock and hard spot. I witnessed it with my own father...and it was one of MY siblings that was abused by a church member! BUT my dad didn't turn his back on her...he just didn't know what to do and how to handle the situation!

  • The People Business 11/28/2007 3:54:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Should children under 18 be allowed at New Life Tabernacle? (6 votes) Yes ------------------------ 1 (16%) No ------------------------- 2 (33%) Only with a parent --------- 1 (16%) Only with a police officer - 2 (33%) Poll still open!

  • lou 11/28/2007 3:41:00 PM

    I can't stand Treadway. I think Klem is a sick perv. BUT I HATE THOSE DUMB POLLS EVEN MORE!!!! STOP POSTING THAT CRAP, NOBODY CARES WHAT THE TEN PEOPLE THAT GO TO YOUR CRAPPY WEBSITE HAVE TO SAY!!! PUBLIC OPINION IS PRETTY DAMN OBVIOUS FROM THE CONTENT OF THIS BOARD...KLEM SHOULD BE LOCKED UP AND TWAY SHOULD STEP DOWN. WE GET IT. THE POLLS LOOK RIDICULOUS...FOUR PEOPLE ANSWERING A QUESTION. GIVE ME A BREAK.

  • The People Business 11/27/2007 3:44:00 AM

    What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle? (17 votes) I attend and love it ---------------- 4 (23%) I attend and do not like it ---------- 1 (5%) I have attended and liked it --------- 0 (0%) I have attended and did not like it - 7 (41%) I would never attend ---------------- 4 (23%) I would attend if I had the chance --- 1 (5%) I don't know ------------------------- 0 (0%) New poll: Should children under 18 be allowed at New Life Tabernacle?

  • The People Business 11/27/2007 3:43:00 AM

    What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle? (17 votes) I attend and love it ---------------- 4 (23%) I attend and do not like it ---------- 1 (5%) I have attended and liked it --------- 0 (0%) I have attended and did not like it - 7 (41%) I would never attend ---------------- 4 (23%) I would attend if I had the chance --- 1 (5%) I don't know ------------------------- 0 (0%) New poll: Should children under 18 be allowed at New Life Tabernacle?

  • The People Business 11/27/2007 3:37:00 AM

    What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle? (17 votes) I attend and love it ---------------- 4 (23%) I attend and do not like it ---------- 1 (5%) I have attended and liked it --------- 0 (0%) I have attended and did not like it - 7 (41%) I would never attend ---------------- 4 (23%) I would attend if I had the chance --- 1 (5%) I don't know ------------------------- 0 (0%) New poll: Should children under 18 be allowed at New Life Tabernacle?

  • The People Business 11/27/2007 3:34:00 AM

    What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle? (17 votes) I attend and love it ---------------- 4 (23%) I attend and do not like it ---------- 1 (5%) I have attended and liked it --------- 0 (0%) I have attended and did not like it - 7 (41%) I would never attend ---------------- 4 (23%) I would attend if I had the chance --- 1 (5%) I don't know ------------------------- 0 (0%) New poll: Should children under 18 be allowed at New Life Tabernacle?

  • unknown 11/23/2007 8:39:00 AM

    No one is out to kill jeffrey klem. No one is out to kill Beth. No one is out to kill Buck or Pat. *Justice will be served. *God will have his way. He knows the truth. It will come out. Thanks.

  • The People Business 11/21/2007 3:10:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle? (14 votes) I attend and love it ---------------- 3 (21%) I attend and do not like it ---------- 1 (7%) I have attended and liked it --------- 0 (0%) I have attended and did not like it - 4 (28%) I would never attend ---------------- 5 (35%) I would attend if I had the chance --- 1 (7%) I don't know ------------------------- 0 (0%) Poll still open!

  • unknown 11/20/2007 11:03:00 PM

    I think Fear is wrong because Dr. Klem actually checked in ONE day early not three. search KFDM news site and you can find it yourself. but Fear has a good point, why would someone fear for there life if they thought that the "victims" were faking it for money? it doesn't make sense to kill Dr. Klem BEFORE you get his money.

  • curious 11/20/2007 4:21:00 PM

    # 508 when did Dr. Klem check into prison 3 days early, and how do you know this?

  • Fear For Your Life!! 11/20/2007 3:31:00 PM

    For Dr. Klem to check in to prison 3 days early because he feared for his life tells me that someone is in this for more than just money. Think about it. What motive would someone have to maim or kill Dr. Klem if all they wanted was his money? On the other hand if someone is out for justice, then he has reason to fear. Especially after the Jefferson county court ruling. He knows this and the plaintiffs know this.

  • The People Business 11/19/2007 11:53:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Final results. The instigator - 0 (0%) The enabler -- 17 (80%) Not aware ----- 4 (19%) New poll open: What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle?

  • sad to say 11/19/2007 12:47:00 AM

    alot of the people still at new life tabernacle really and truly believe that Dr.pedaphile is innocent. They think that all of this is so that Tina and Shawn, Les and Rilea, and Les's ex, lisa is only after money and that this is a big scheme to get money from Treadway and Klem. i say that they are all brainwashed and need to get out now!!!!!! i know all of this first hand. this is not gossip it is just ....sad to say ..... the truth!!!!! i hope that justice prevails for these poor girls that were tossed aside by their church family and grandparents. my prayers are with you ashlyn, brea, randy, ashley, and chelsea(kathey made her recant her statements so that her daddy would not turn his back on her again) sad to say..... but it is true.

  • YOU TELL ME(= 11/18/2007 11:08:00 PM

    I NEVER WANTED TO BELIEVE BETH WAS THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT WOULD EVER TURN HER BACK ON THE ONES SHE LOVES FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WHEN A CHILD COMES OUT AND TELLS ABOUT A THING LIKE THIS (NO... -->5 CHILDREN )YOU DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON THEM! THE FAMILY DOING THAT TO THEIR GRANDCHILDREN AND SON (CHURCH MEMBERS THAT DID NOT SUPPORT THEM) TELLS ME A FEW THINGS... EATHIER THEY KNEW ABOUT IT THE WHOLE TIME OR MAYBE DR.DO TIME HAS SOME SORT OF BLACK MAIL ON THE TREADWAYS=) ((YOU TELL ME??))

  • think about it 11/18/2007 6:19:00 AM

    and I quote from their NLT website, "You will be blessed by the inspirational sermons, powerful praise and unconditional love from our congregation. We offer a variety of ministries for every member of the family. From age-specific classes, outings and activities, to Spirit-filled services, you will surely find that New Life Tabernacle is able to meet the needs of you and your family. Explain to me how KICKING your very own family and others that where there a long time and their families out fit into this catagory of... "At New Life, you�ll find people just like you"! Cause It sounds pretty conditional to me! Not like anything I would do! Sad situation for these families and girls. They sure are cursing then now, where did the blessing go??? The unconditional love for these children. Their pastors grandchildren? How can you just turn that off at the drop of a hat? That's not unconditional LOVE!!! Someone needs to read the LOVE chapter again I Corinthians 13. People you have known for years, worshiped with for years, now you can't speak to them afraid to talk to them see them ask them question you know you have in the back of your mind. Crazy blindness because of mind control. We need to think for our self. We just NEED TO THINK!!! Bad things happen to good people everyday!!!

  • The People Business 11/17/2007 11:15:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Beth Treadway Klem was (12 votes): The instigator - 0 (0%) The enabler --- 9 (75%) Not aware ----- 3 (25%) Poll still open! Next poll: What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle?

  • yowzers 11/17/2007 1:12:00 PM

    Grace&Mercy, if by my true colors you mean my identity....that's been tried before. I guarantee you that my name will never enter this discussion, because 1. it has no relevance to the issue at hand, and 2. New Lifers ARE stupid. Anyone willing to put up with what is happening at New Life Tabernacle does so at the expense of their ability to independently think, not to mention their conscience. If by my "true colors" you mean my opinion....welcome to the obvious.

  • um... 11/17/2007 12:56:00 PM

    #490 & Grace, Now your church can tell who will and will not make it into heaven? LOL I happen to know that the person you are commenting about has nothing to do with the civil action. And you both deserve another gold star. You know, for someone that claims to not be trying to gather up "gold" here, you two seem to be working hard to get as many gold stars as you can.

  • uh.... 11/17/2007 12:40:00 PM

    #499 I give you "devoted", albeit delusional in devotion, but devoted non-the less. Honest - uh, NO! Aren�t you the people still making excuses for Klem�s, the grandfather�s and church people�s actions? Loving - again, a BIG NO! Just look at what you nuts have done to the children (victims) and their families for coming forward. And you can tell by how you treat your former members that you people are a little off and do not even read, or believe what you read in the Bible. Godly People - Think your church members actions answer this one without any comments Good People - PLEASE! Their are some good people (in nature) that attend there, but the vast majority of you people still there, sat on your butts and watched as the victims and their families, in this and many other cases of all kinds, be demonized and torn down. We are still talking about a church, right? You good and Godly people didn't stand up for the people who can't even defend themselves (the children). What book are you reading that this is a sign of "Godly" behavior? And you "good people" continue to sidestep the real issues. You people ought to be ashamed (you have to have a concise first I guess) BTW, Didn't someone say that your church had around 1,000 members at one time? Now around 300? And you still claim that God is blessing that church? And before you, #499, say that YOU haven't done any of these things, you are blindly defending your leader, you sat with the rest of them, and have even participated in throwing stones at the victims and their families (and past members). You don't even have the decency to admit that the children and their families were treated wrong by your leadership and church people. You people want him to lead you, that's your choice. Just don't expect any sympathy, for you adults, from anyone when it's your child, grandchild or someone's else�s child that needs help. Any good defense atty worth his salt would use the fact that you nuts decided not to change leadership and are now aware of how he "protects" his church members. Should something like this happen again (as far as the church people and leaderships actions go, .the parents that have chosen to stay should be brought up on charges for knowingly keeping their children in that place and not protecting them. God gave you people common sense, He meant for you to use it. Read Galatians. Any church can be led astray, even one that God had blessed at one time. You people don�t seem to have any trouble believing that your former members have lost their way, what makes your leadership any different? It�s the same Spirit in ALL. If you think your leadership can do no wrong, then you must also believe that your former members can also, do no wrong. A Godly Man would have stood up for his grandchildren and especially when it came to light that another child not related to him was also a victim. Not your pastor. His actions are what keeps victims quite for so long and helps to keep them in their own private hell. What the hell does he teach you people and why do you leave your common sense at the door, if you even bring it that far? I notice that none of you "loving people" are at the prisons taking up for other people that have plead guilty or that were found to be guilty. You aren't attacking the victims and their families, are you? Someone said it right, you are a bunch of yes men.

  • Grace & Mercy 11/17/2007 2:45:00 AM

    #497 None.Guess again. Be careful yowzers your true colors are starting to show. The good people at NLT are not stupid. Neither is NLT a nuthouse. There are very good, honest, devoted, loving Godly people at NLT.

  • tired of your snit 11/17/2007 2:42:00 AM

    hey bowzer, one small request. Why don't you mind your own business and leave everyone else alone?

  • yowzers 11/17/2007 2:27:00 AM

    So how many times have you visited the good doctor at the prison, Grace&Mercy? This isn't about defending an innocent man, it's about attacking former members and justifying your own stupid decision to stay at that nuthouse.

  • unknown 11/17/2007 2:18:00 AM

    how to identify a cult (multiple published sources) # The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. # The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. # The group is preoccupied with making money. # Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. # The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth). # The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members. # The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society. # The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities. # The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them. # Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group. # There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. # No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. # There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. # The group/leader is always right. # Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. # Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. does any of this sound familiar??

  • unknown 11/17/2007 2:18:00 AM

    how to identify a cult (multiple published sources) # The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. # The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members. # The group is preoccupied with making money. # Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished. # The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth). # The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members. # The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society. # The group's leader is not accountable to any authorities. # The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them. # Members' subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group. # There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. # No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. # There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. # The group/leader is always right. # Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. # Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. does any of this sound familiar??

  • unknown 11/17/2007 1:15:00 AM

    if the votes could be duplicated, then why not vote a few times? yea, I thought so. enjoy your gold in heaven, you sure enjoy your parents' gold down here. it's a good thing that sorrows are forgotten in heaven because you'd hold a grudge for eternity oh by the way Pat Treadway's invisible friends are watching you type.

  • Grace & Mercy 11/16/2007 9:49:00 PM

    Ha, WTG #490!! oh my, not 34 whole votes. I wonder how many of THOSE are DUPLICATED or done under someone else's name.#491 I guess you think that mentally challenged people are somehow inferior to you. (snickering).#492 Why am I not surprised that you would know what fishy/rotten is! Is this statement referring to your own vast knowledge??? BTW, my gold stars are going to be in a Crown, where are your going to be?

  • unknown 11/16/2007 12:59:00 PM

    #490: there were 34 (THIRTY-four) votes you imbecile. I'll bet that you voted too. I hope that you continue to be cracked up by the poll because the next few will be about New Life Tabernacle and its kooky members

  • unknown 11/16/2007 12:55:00 PM

    gold stars, if you can't discern the truth in this case, then it's you who will not go to heaven. anyone who still listens to the holy ghost would have enough sense to leave that cult. even a mentally retarded person can tell that New Life Tabernacle is fishy. you people are so obsessed with your pastor that you don't know what it is to grow as a church and as a person.

  • gold stars 11/16/2007 12:31:00 PM

    I hate to tell you. . . we don't seek for gold here on earth. Our gold stars will be received in heaven. I guess you are trying to seek your golden stars here on earth b/c you know you probably wont make it to heaven. I think you all view the civil suit as your golden stars. I will take my in heaven gladly compared to what is coming to you. Glad to report Pastor Treadways health is in tip top shape. Guess all of you bashers aren't praying hard enough or God chooses not to listen to your babblings. How is everyone elses health? Be careful what you pray on other people. . . could come back to get you?! Also - the poll is cracking me up. Out of all the readers. . . 24 people votes? ha. Those twenty four people could easily be accounted for. Lets see. . . its all of those involved in the civil suit. Just had to throw that in. You all make yourself look foolish. Have a great day.

  • KNOWN 2 U 11/16/2007 7:25:00 AM

    WOW! Looks like the church will be busy this Sunday handing out Gold Stars to a few people. # 458 -- GOLD STAR!! # 467 -- GOLD STAR!! # 470 -- GOLD STAR!! # 471 -- GOLD STAR!! Way to go, attack the victims and their families. Hopefully no one will keep the pressure on your "pastor". He must be proud. You follow his playbook so well. Just a note, when you get your gold star, you better check it. I'll bet it's not real and the gold will probably flake off. The blind ignorance of some of these people would be funny if the issues were not so serious. Time to step away from the Kool-Aid.

  • tootles 11/16/2007 1:00:00 AM

    Beth is sweet. Beth is beautiful. However, I do question why she is still married to this pervert slug...

  • Why Beth? 11/16/2007 12:02:00 AM

    What do you mean "petty things like Beth?" Are you stating she deserves little scrutiny in this case? She is still married to a man that fondled her eleven year old niece while his arm was around BETH! He hugged Beth while he violated her niece. I think it is very appropriate to question her involvement. I doubt she knew what happened, but she should be sickened by this pedophiles actions...

  • Meet Virginia 11/15/2007 9:22:00 PM

    I would just like to know why the subject is moving onto petty things like Beth?

  • Viewer 11/15/2007 8:00:00 PM

    This is getting sicker and sicker. All parties. If I ever had my doubts about there being anything good in that place it for sure shows it now. I use to think it was probably just the few I came in contact with setting a bad example. The whole place is crazy. No one treats each other that bad from a place of worship. Continuely taking the issues away from the facts.

  • The People Business 11/15/2007 5:52:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Beth Treadway Klem was: (8 votes) The instigator - 0 (0%) The enabler --- 7 (87%) Not aware ----- 1 (12%) Poll still open! Next poll: What is your impression of New Life Tabernacle?

  • hello 11/15/2007 11:58:00 AM

    Wow, it sounds like Buck Treadway is quite a pedophile himself, perhaps. What a sick old man.

  • quite no more 11/15/2007 2:37:00 AM

    In my last comment it was ment to say that my molester is now a pentecoastal preacher. Bro. treadway knows this. thank you for listening. Also I have lived though this and because of couseling from non church org. I am a better person today.The girls are getting help to so lets all pray.You will haer more from me

  • liebusters 11/15/2007 2:37:00 AM

    HEY #460 YOU SAID IT RIGHT... "heaven forbid that we show some grace to the needy by renting church members properties that were paid for by......the church" SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE CHURCH IS GETTING THE RENT MONEY??? don't think its working like that! AND MRS #458 (IKNOW) IT ALL WHY DO YOU CALL THESE PEOPLE NAMES..."late and always needy, needy, needy! Pitiful folks, these unmotivated folks content with a substandard, poverty level lifestyle. I would not waste my time renting to one for such minimal revenue"... ARE YOU SO WEALTHY YOU FORGET THE POOR ...NOT CHRIST LIKE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION. THE ONLY PEOPLE I CAN THINK OF THAT DON'T LIVE IN "hand-me-down houses" ARE THE ONES WHO BUILD THEIR OWN HOUSE!!! WHICH PROBABLY AIN'T YOU!!! YOU ARE LIVING IN A HOUSE YOU DIDN'T BUILD EITHER, HUH??? AT LEAST THE VICTIMS FAMILIES AREN'T LIVING OFF OF CHURCH TITHINGS!!! THEY DIDN'T HAVE BIG BUCK AND THE CHURCH TO BAIL THEM OUT AND BACK THEM UP!!! BETH YOU CAN ALWAYS MOVE BACK IN WITH DADDY IF IT GETS TO BAD, LIKE YOU DID WHEN YOU HAD TO SELL YOUR ROLEX AND YOUR hand-me-down WANNA BE MANSION. COULD IT BE YOU DIDN'T PLAN YOUR FINANCES WELL ENOUGH??? THAT'S OK YOUR DADDY'S GOT YOUR BACK!!! YOUR STILL DADDY'S LITTLE GIRL!!! I'M SURE IF YOU CALL TINA SHE MIGHT SELL YOU HER ROLEX. MAYBE SHAWN AND TINA MIGHT EVEN SELL YOU AND DR.DOTIME YOUR OLD HOUSE BACK.

  • quite no more 11/15/2007 2:26:00 AM

    I am a ex-member of N.L.T.I was also molested when I was a smaal child. For many years I was quite to scared to tell. This is what most victims feel.I lived with my attacker for he was a family member. When it did come out my parents told Bro.Treadway. this is how he handled it.He first told my parents to not speak of it to anyone. There for my parents and family had no outside help or prayers.Then he talked to me alone.All he wanted was details of the sex acts done to me I told very Little but he got the pictureof what the person did to me.He asked me if I liked it and if it felt good. I was so embarresed by the whole thingand now this question. What could I sayso I did not ansewer him He repeatedly ask saying he had to know howw it felt to better help me(latter thruogh proper help I found this to not be required of a victim)He even wanted me to draw a picture of what happen.This was in 1986 I was then a teenager. He offered no other counseling and told no outside official.he had one meeting with me where all of this was discussed.To end it his advice was for me to watch what I wore around that family member and topray for God to forgive me.I wasto ask for forgivenessbecause he felt I enjoyed it(just because it doesnt hurt and can possible feel good does not make it right)I was molested most of my childhood. I believe it started whn I was appox. age of 6 to early teens. ther is no way a child is responsble for that.This is how Bro.treadway handles his flock.Waylon Thompson the D.A. has asked me to speak out in court I just might do this if not to late. I spoke with one of the girls involved they want me to speak.Please know that Bro. tredway was wrong then and is wrong tody. He did those girls the same way.By the way my molester is not a pentecoastal preach of his own church and Bro treadway knows this. pray for the girls they have had no help from N.L.T.

  • you know who i am.....take a m 11/14/2007 7:37:00 PM

    this is to Buck and Chuck. the way that you made me feel at a recent funeral was tacky and out of line. first Chuck. you had the nerve to give me the soul handshake in the funeral line. "whats up soul sister" that crap was so stupid. it might have been funny if we would not have been at a funeral. where are your manners? i guess they are with your morals, apparently in the trash. now for Buck. when i told you that i had been thinking about you and church and you looked at me and said "you do huh?" and had that little smirky smile on your face i knew then that you really had changed. i hope to God that yall dont treat my family like you did me. i know i could not live with myself if i ever stepped foot back in the doors at new life. i guess new life is easy to find as long as you dont ask any questions or go against one of you two people. i pray everyday that my family will wake up and smell the foulness that has taken over your church and leave and go somewhere that the staff and some members support a pervert like Jeffrey Klem.

  • tell it like it is 11/14/2007 7:04:00 PM

    i remember a time when New Life was a very good church. that was a long time ago. i was a member for over 25 years and i have been a witness to some crazy crap at that church. i know first hand that when you did something that Buck didnt like you paid the price and so did everyone around you. it is a very racist church and they lost a lot of good members because of that. i remember a time that i had gone to sunday school and the teacher told me that the only people that wore their hair like i had mine was a ni**er lover or a lesbian. i was neither one of those things. when i brought it to Bucks attention he dismissed it like it was no big deal. it is okay for japanese , mexicans to be married to someone white in new life but dont marry anyone black you will be treated like an outcast. chuck has been known to say that a black/white marriage was a sin "its Bible, girl". where? i believe that it takes all kinds of folks to make a good church. rich, poor, black white. not there. you have to make a certain income in order to fit in there. if you cant contribute to all of the "love offerings" than no one worried with you. a good way to get in good with Buck and Chuck is to be a big giver . if someone wants out of the church all you have to do is ask to see the books or question something that Buck or Chuck does..

  • tell it like it is 11/14/2007 7:03:00 PM

    i remember a time when New Life was a very good church. that was a long time ago. i was a member for over 25 years and i have been a witness to some crazy crap at that church. i know first hand that when you did something that Buck didnt like you paid the price and so did everyone around you. it is a very racist church and they lost a lot of good members because of that. i remember a time that i had gone to sunday school and the teacher told me that the only people that wore their hair like i had mine was a ni**er lover or a lesbian. i was neither one of those things. when i brought it to Bucks attention he dismissed it like it was no big deal. it is okay for japanese , mexicans to be married to someone white in new life but dont marry anyone black you will be treated like an outcast. chuck has been known to say that a black/white marriage was a sin "its Bible, girl". where? i believe that it takes all kinds of folks to make a good church. rich, poor, black white. not there. you have to make a certain income in order to fit in there. if you cant contribute to all of the "love offerings" than no one worried with you. a good way to get in good with Buck and Chuck is to be a big giver . if someone wants out of the church all you have to do is ask to see the books or question something that Buck or Chuck does..

  • ismellalie 11/14/2007 6:36:00 PM

    LIAR. There is not enough money on earth to undo the damage these effed up parents did to these girls.

  • Disgusted 11/14/2007 5:57:00 PM

    What "sicko" has the nerve to get on here and pretend to be "Whitley"????? I happen to know that she isn't even allowed to read this garbage much less participate. I also know these families well and the comments are absurd and disgusting. I do know that these children were provided shelter through the years BY THEIR PARENTS, and both parents still provide a home for them to live in. It was the choice of the girls to live with relatives (not the KLEMS either) for schooling purposes - After the "great revealing" of Klem's conduct the girl's then disclosed the "real" reason was to escape further exposure to him. So,FYI to those of you who have chosen to attack these victim's and their families, UNJUSTLY, (based on "hearsay" from the accused's family) there will always be a reaping time.....be careful!!! This has rediculously become a bloodbath and a feeding frenzy for some who obviously have issues. Many of the comments have no truthful foundation and are repulsive, and in most part, in my opinion, so was the article. I heard about this impersonation "through the grapevine" and felt compelled to respond. Please leave these children and their parents alone, and wake-up and realize that the real issue here is that there is one perpetrator-a sex offender, and four young victims ranging from 9 to 11 years old. There is not enough money on this earth to fix the damage that has been done. There are no winners in this kind of situation - however; these children and their parents should be applauded for enduring what they have to bring awareness into this situation to insure that other children do not become future victims.

  • The Way I See It!!!!!!!!!! 11/14/2007 3:47:00 PM

    #429, I have been going to NLT for awhile now, I have never been to a business meeting where "pastor" disclosed the books to us. FYI, I will not be there much longer!!!

  • unknown 11/14/2007 2:50:00 PM

    iknowthem, too bad you don't know how to deal with jealousy. yet another personality trait you learned at New Life Tabernacle?

  • Anon 11/14/2007 1:21:00 PM

    You, once again, are proving that you are a backwoods redneck from SE Texas. All of this extraneous material about the victims doesn't prove a thing. Plaintiff's are not the ones living a delusion; the man is a convicted sex predator. What more proof does one need in order to determine it is not a lie? His conviction will probably enter into the record at the Houston trial. Now, what judge or jury is going to not convict the man of molestation when he was convicted six months earlier of molesting the same girls in Jefferson County? We already know Harris county is going to make him register. I sure hope his lawyer requests a bench trial; a jury of his "peers" would lock him up for a while.

  • iknowthem 11/14/2007 1:14:00 PM

    #469: Why Cambodia? There's plenty of poor white trash on this board who would love to give it up for a dollar or two. Beats working, to them. That's why they file bankruptcy and borrow grocery money from friends and have to buy houses from owners who will tote the note, etc. Oh, and don't forget the one who wears a Rolex she can't afford.

  • plaintiffslie 11/14/2007 1:11:00 PM

    Well stated #467. I suppose those who choose not to invest in a retirement fund will continue to depend on churches and other charitable groups to pay their way. Oh, except for those who make a career of filing fraudulent lawsuits. Hasn't it alays been that way?

  • Grace & Mercy 11/14/2007 4:55:00 AM

    It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Pastor Treadway was using those youth funds to buy his son in law youthful hookers in Cambodia. You hear me????? Cambodia.

  • you are brainwashed 11/14/2007 4:29:00 AM

    ill bet the rest of the youth groups money they raised is in the retirement fund. why dont you ask them about that or ask how they kick people out of rental property when they decide to leave the church. that is a garantee for the "letter of release"

  • ignorance is not always bliss 11/14/2007 4:06:00 AM

    I guess some of these poor people has never heard of 401K (uh, that is one of the Retirement Funds that people can choose) The Fact is, anyone who works for a living should have some kind of Retirement Fund and if you don't, then don't condemn people that are smart enough to have a retirement fund. News flash, MOST of the working Americans DO have a retirement fund....so why all the fuss?????

  • Grace & Mercy 11/14/2007 3:57:00 AM

    Ooh my #461 and 462 you can't even keep it straight when you are stealing and lying using someone else's identity(handle). The Original Grace & Mercy.

  • stop being mean 11/14/2007 3:38:00 AM

    now is that really neccessary to criticize about something that happened to him a long time ago? that is just mean no matter what side you are on. i happen to not support him in his decisions on how to handle all of this but right is right. talk about something that will bring some light to the situation.

  • unknown 11/14/2007 3:27:00 AM

    Grace&Mercy, you have to say something GOOD before you can say something BETTER. you can't even interpret the Bible much less debate morality. I know this because you have to have everything spoon fed to you by a hobbled perverted selfish grubby elitist pastor and assistant pastor whose church hasn't had a true harvest or revival in fifteen years because it is CURSED.

  • Check on it yourself 11/14/2007 3:22:00 AM

    For all those that continue to defend and follow a man that has proven he follows money. If your church finances are truly open for members to view and are discussed at business meetings you will know the answer to these questions without even having to ask anyone. Just how many properties does the retirement fund own? Where does the money that people pay in rent each month go? I can tell you for a fact the payments are made out to L.C. Treadway himself in most cases, if not all. Shouldn't they be made out to the church or his retirement fund? Whose name(s) are (ALL) the properties listed in? If the answer is the retirement fund then why would Beth and Jeff�s name be attached to any of them as one "defender" implied in a post? Are you told each year in the business meetings about the new purchases each year? And how much was spent each year? Are the books opened for church members to view at any time, or even at the minimum once a year business meeting that the church by-laws require? Which meeting was it where any of the members received a vote about this retirement fund? Or any other uses of the church funds? Aren�t you told what the church is going to do with some of the money? And for the one that stated that the books are opened at the business meetings -- this must be something new, even when the church by-laws require it to be done each year (as well as the denomination of the UPCI). Anyone who states that the average member knows about the finances in that church is a liar. Only a tight circle of people know about the money trail in that church. And an even smaller circle really know. And yes, when large sums of money were earned by the youth they were not allowed to keep all of it in their department for the people that raised it to use. It was raised for one thing and then the money used for something else -- wow, to raise money under false pretences -- what a shining example (not aimed at the youth but the leader that decided that it was too much for them). If you (members only) don't believe that the money was re-directed, ask to look at the books. This doesn't mean ask someone in that circle about it, look yourselves. Haven't you taken other people's word for things too long? What is really sad is that if the pastor of the church would wake up and realize that he is not the church and step down, most of the negative things that he has kept in the dark for so long would not be coming to light. He is the hinderance in that church right now. That church used to have over 1,000 members now someone is happy around 300? The problem seems to be that when former members chose to start attending other churches the only ones left were a bunch of �yes� men.

  • Grace & Mercy 11/14/2007 2:17:00 AM

    I'm sorry. 459 is what I meant.

  • Grace & Mercy 11/14/2007 2:15:00 AM

    Amen, #159. I couldn't have said that better myself.

  • unknown 11/14/2007 2:05:00 AM

    #458: heaven forbid that we show some grace to the needy by renting church members properties that were paid for by......the church!!

  • anon 11/14/2007 2:00:00 AM

    Why is it that you continue to put down the victims or their families? Does that change the fact that your pastor's son-in-law is a convicted pedophile? Or that your fellow church member is a convicted pedophile? Or that the second he leaves a Houston court room, assuming he will be a free man, he will be a convicted and registered sex offender? I don't understand all of side comments about the victims; it has no legal bearing on this case.

  • Iknow 11/14/2007 1:49:00 AM

    #446--So you believe the rental properties are overpriced? $200.00 per month is probably less than they would pay in the housing project, and I KNOW that's what some of the houses rent for---when the tenants can scrape up the payment. Most of them are usually late and always needy, needy, needy! Pitiful folks, these unmotivated folks content with a substandard, poverty level lifestyle. I would not waste my time renting to one for such minimal revenue. Neither would I wear a Rolex I can't afford and I certainly would never live in the Klem's (or anyone elses) hand-me-down house. But, then again, there are those among us who never learned financial planning, the value of good credit and how to live within our means. Wannabe's I believe they're called.

  • Anon 11/14/2007 12:04:00 AM

    There is no way the verdict will be not guilty in Houston, JUDGE. His conviction in Beaumont will come into evidence.

  • unknown 11/13/2007 9:48:00 PM

    THEPEOPLEBUSINESS.BLOGSPOT.COM Poll: Who is guilty? (34 votes) Dr. Klem -------- 21 (61%) Pastor Treadway - 18 (52%) The plaintiffs --- 8 (23%) No one ------------ 3 (8%) Next poll: Beth Treadway Klem's involvement

  • THE JUDGE 11/13/2007 9:40:00 PM

    THE VERDICT IN HOUSTON WILL BE NOT GUILTY, AND YOU PEOPLE WILL NOT EXCEPT THAT EITHER

  • yowzer 11/13/2007 9:37:00 PM

    I think it's very fitting that a New Lifer calls him/her self "THE JUDGE".

  • THE JUDGE 11/13/2007 9:29:00 PM

    WELL HE IS GUILTY ALRIGHT, LETS HANG HIM, AND WHERE WE CAN GET BACK TO OUR CHRISTAIN LIVES. OUR FRIUTS IS REAL GOOD AND WE ARE WITH OUT SIN TO. THAT MAKES US SO SPIRITUAL IN THE EYES IF OUR GOD. HEY LORD I AM PROBABLY MORE GUILTY THAN DR KELM. LES YOU ARE AND IDIOT ALONG WITH PHILLIP HEYHURST. I WOULD HATE TO BE GROUP WITH YOU TWO AT JUDGEMENT. MY PASTOR IS A GOOD GUY AND I HAVE HEARD CALL YOUR NAMES OUT IN PRAYER WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES AND ASKING THE LORD TO KEEP HIS HAND UPON YOU.

  • yowzers 11/13/2007 9:27:00 PM

    My, my, we've certainly turned the tide of judgment, haven't we? I don't agree with #444's word choice, but their point is no different than any of the other judgmental posts here. For you to tell someone that their comments are inappropriate and then call them a pedophile or piece of trash is the same mentality of everyone else who takes a child's cry for help and makes it an insult war. Keepitreal, for you to call someone else "of the other persuasion" while speculating on the existence of their penis is about as hypocritical as it gets. Not to mention gay. #449, does that mean that Rev. Nishi will be visiting instead of Buck?

  • no name 11/13/2007 9:24:00 PM

    YEA!!! everybody is a ped that calls someone a name except Jeff, the one that admits to it in court under oath in front of a judge you New Lifers are "easy to find"

  • elian 11/13/2007 9:24:00 PM

    It seems to me that all of this bickering is ridiculous. You are all idiots. Anybody that believes what Pentecostals believes should go to hell for judgment anyway. You are all sinners, and none of you have the Scripture right, so why bicker? You will all burn. All of you.

  • unknown 11/13/2007 8:33:00 PM

    I agree with #448. You are disgusting and more than likely a worthless piece of trash. Your probably a peeping Tom, or maybe a ped. Whatever the role your play, you are TRASH

  • unknown 11/13/2007 8:31:00 PM

    #444 that is absolutely nasty references about women you should go back to the gutter that you crawled out of

  • Keepitreal 11/13/2007 8:30:00 PM

    #444---If you are a man, and I highly doubt that you are a REAL man, then you need to go grown yourself one instead of just wishing you had one. You certainly don't speak as a man. A REAL man is respectful of women and cognizant of what a wonderful gift they (most of them) are to us. Perhaps you are of the other persuasion.

  • unknown 11/13/2007 8:28:00 PM

    LIKE THE WAY THEY "ALLOWED" THEIR "FRIENDS" TO RENT THEIR OVERPRICED RENTAL PROPERTIES?

 

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