The ManKind Project

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Yellow Journalism: After reading "Weekend Warriors" [by Chris Vogel, October 4] with its many and gross inaccuracies, my eye has been jaundiced to the quality of your other work. Certainly I will give "reporter" Chris Vogel's future articles the same respect I give to any supermarket tabloid's "news": useful for wiping up cat puke or as an emergency toilet for the dog.

My heart goes out to Michael Scinto's family. Losing a family member is very hard, and it sounds like in their grief, his family did what most of us do: find someone to blame. Scinto had fallen off the wagon, was using and needed treatment that he refused to ask for, as far as Vogel "reported." ManKind Project is an easy target because it is secretive; it doesn't do things the "normal" way, and that whole psychobabble crap is for losers, anyway. Real men just get over it, right? (Wrong!)

If Scinto felt uncomfortable that his AA group and sponsor pressured him to join against his will, why didn't he find another group? AA is voluntary: Show up or don't. Say, why isn't his sister suing AA? They also have "a poor vetting system and unlicensed men" (and women) running it.

I did the weekend early this year and have participated actively since then, staffing a weekend and meeting with my group weekly.  From my experience, the weekend was very hard, but very rewarding — it gave me a chance to work on deep, buried issues that I had kept hidden from myself for more than 30 years.  I wasn't at Scinto's weekend, obviously, so I cannot say what happened to him. At my weekend, I was treated with respect at all times, both physically and mentally. When I staffed, I treated each man the same. If a leader had us get naked and then said something like, "[I]f you wish, you may reach over and grab your brother's dick," I would've walked, without hesitation, even if I was staffing. The nearest residence to the property is less than a few hundred yards away, and I'm betting they have a phone that has the numbers 9, 1, and 1 on it.

Chris Chamless
Houston

It's therapy: I found the ManKind Project article sensational in many areas, yet no matter what you call it, untrained and unlicensed facilitators of these groups practice therapy. For some, it is life-­changing and rewarding; for others, it is harmful. The New Age movement provided the arena for such groups to offer services, and licensing boards are powerless to regulate them. Members are routinely asked to sign confidentiality waivers prior to participation, and these serve to skirt adherence to the legal and ethical standards of the professional licensing boards. Complaints to licensing boards are routinely dismissed.

I participated in a local "­nontraditional-therapy" group in town for more than ten years. I did learn some valuable skills, and my personal and professional relationships have improved tremendously. As members of MKP have stated, there are many benefits. However, I was misdiagnosed as having borderline personality disorder, among other diagnoses; was continuously verbally, mentally and emotionally abused; pressured to pay fines for "reprehensible behavior" (i.e., turning in an assignment late); pressured to recruit new members; and continuously hounded for more monetary contributions and/or scholarships for other members. I often discussed with my "mentor" the fact that I could not afford the cost of multiple group and individual sessions per month, since this is not covered by insurance, and was told to make adjustments in my finances since the group process was the single most important and valuable aspect of my life. One group member loaned the facilitator a significant amount of money, and when he left the group abruptly, the facilitator announced she would consider the loan a donation. The loan is outstanding two years later.

Many ex-members feel they were psychologically damaged by participating in this group, and most are happy to have gotten out — after the initial shock and withdrawal wears off. However, ex-­members do not retaliate for fear of prosecution or worse. After leaving the group, threatening letters from the facilitators and their attorneys (the people who said they cared deeply for each of us) were sent to several of us. Family members who remained in the group are forced to have zero contact with those who left and are told their family is "dead" to them. I personally am seeing a licensed psychologist to recover from what he has called "post-traumatic stress syndrome." There was no graduation date from the group, and members were brainwashed into thinking if they left, they would not survive; their lives would fall apart within six months, and they would be dead.

Perhaps the saddest aspect was the widespread alienation of family and friends that was endemic within this group, particularly after someone tried the group and decided it was not for them. Anyone who left was shunned and considered a nonperson — and all contact with them was strictly forbidden. It was common practice for friendships to be destroyed, families fractured, and jobs and careers threatened from the pressure to abide by the dictum that the group came before all else.

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  • anonymous 02/28/2008 12:41:00 AM

    Are you saying the AA encourages men to attend a weekend?

  • Running Lion 02/12/2008 8:13:00 AM

    Well I�ll give "reporter" Chris Vogel's future articles and this article the same respect I give to diarrhea. What is unfortunate here is a man is dead and his poor grieving parents are trying to cash in and point blame. This article is disgusting and untrue. I can sure tell who has done a weekend and who hasn�t by reading these comments. Let me say this: If you want to find out what MKP is all about without investing any money or risking your delicate hide, visit a graduation ceremony. It�s free and the ceremony is wide open at a beautiful public gathering place. Family and friends are always welcomed. There is a part of the ceremony where family or friends walk up to a microphone and honor the newly graduated man. This has always been a tear jerker for me. I want you criticizers to see a wife walk up to her husband, boy friend or partner and tell him how much of a change she�s noticed since the weekend. Now they can exchange words of love, tenderness and understanding that have been dangerously absent in their relationship for far too long. I want you to witness a little 10 year old girl walking up to her daddy with a bouquet of flowers in her hand. She�ll probably be crying because she�s never been this happy before. She�ll be thanking her daddy for doing the weekend and now they can begin to work on whatever private issues exist in that household. This is something that you need to witness for yourself. It�s different every time. I was initiated in 2004. I�ve staffed seven times. I�ve initiated around 280 men. I�ve witness around 100 men doing their guts work. In my experience I haven�t seen anything that would make a man commit suicide. I�ll say this; there are men that come to the weekend that are already suicidal. There are men that come to the weekend that are in all kinds of shape. Many are in recovery or tying to get sober. The scope and dimension of the condition these men are in when they do their weekend is sometimes overwhelming. Almost all of the men are covering up and suffering from some deep underlying event or tragedy in their life. I�ve seen homeless men, doctors and lawyers; you name it, all doing the weekend together. This is not a specific therapy for an individual man. It�s intended to help men change things in their life that need�s to be changed. The weekend is only the beginning. MKP is very popular with AA and therapists, and the reason is, is because it works. I�ve heard it said many times that whatever goes on, on the weekend, is like magic. The facts are that the entire program was designed and monitored by very respectable therapists but for us regular staffers, we don�t really know anything about what triggers what and what does what and so on. The bottom line is, most men benefit from the weekend immensely and I couldn�t begin to tell you why. I�ll also say this; the weekend is not for everybody. The weekend doesn�t fix everybody�s problems. It doesn�t help every man to begin to make positive changes in his like but I�ve never seen anything that I would consider harmful happen to any man during the regularly scheduled protocol of this training. Every man is given choices and that man has to live with those choices. Staff will always make a big deal over safety. When we staff, we always yell out, �Who�s in charge of safety? I am!� Safety is always a top priority. Every new man is constantly asked and reminded to tell staff if they are at their physical limit as well as other things.

  • James Reed 10/26/2007 12:49:00 AM

    First I want to acknowledge the pain and grief the Scinto family is feeling. AS I never lost a person close to me, I can only guess at what must be daily agony to them. My prayers are with them. I did the New Warrior weekend in may '93. I HAd heard about it the year before and was highly skeptical and frankly couldn't see why any guy would want to hang out with a bunch of men in the countryside for a weekend doing what ever they do. But through the recommendation of a friend, Kim Sawyer, I did it. What it meant for me was; 1) Fun! I had one of the greatest times of my life. It was a huge adventure. 2) Access and feeling of deep buried pain. 3) The experience of being around men telling the truth about themselves and the opportunity to tell others (and myself) truths about myself. 4) Spiritual renewal. 5) Getting a clear healthy "map" of masculinity and manhood. What I didn't see or experience: 1) homoerotic agendas, advances, or anything related to it. If I had seen or felt it I would have walked. 2) Humiliation or abuse. If I would have seen it I would have walked. 3) Someone telling me they'd kill me if I revealed what happened on the weekend. or any other weird stuff... Warrior definitely has its faults but it wasn't anything they described in the article. I'm inactive now and I have been for a long time. I'm married and have two beautiful children. My warrior work is at home, not staffing weekends. One of my biggest hopes is that my son one day chooses to participate in the weekend or something similar. Finally, I just want to say that this article is an example of why I stopped reading the Houston Press years ago. If the author is concerned about helping vulnerable exploited people, he should go to the back pages of his magazine. There's plenty to write about there.

  • Linda Shento 10/25/2007 10:00:00 AM

    Am looking for Scinto's. Doing family genealogy. I think we just lost one!

 

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