Peeking Inside the Shadowy Crypt of Houston's Goth Community

David Sadof rules! He was one of the ones who introduced me to the music I love while I was a student at SHSU. I love that little radio station up in Huntsville.

There's some dude who plays a bunch of goth and industrial at noon on KTRU (91.7 FM) on Tuesdays. Radical stuff, too, not just the more commercial sounding stuff. KTRU is great.

Its unfortunate that some idiot thought to tell the writer about those wannabes with Havok and all their crap. Who told him they had anything to do with the Goth scene? But YAY Mina!!! Good job girl! I heard tell that Power Tools was closed though. What's up with that? Of course I don't live in Houston. I didn't think most of those other clubs even existed anymore. Strange.

Hello Sarah! My, your name sounds familiar.

For some reason my post didn't go through the first time.

Its funny no one told the writer that the people related to Havok are not even remotely a part of the Gothic scene in Houston. But YAY Mina!!!! You go girl!

I thought Power Tools had been closed for years, and except for Numbers, I've never heard of the others that supposedly compete with them.

Oh hello Sarah! Your name sure sounds familiar in relation to this subject.

I'm the Sarah in the article. It's a common name. The other Sarah that commented isn't me. I'm no longer a blond. Now I'm a red head. :)

I'm the Sarah in the article. It's a common name. The other Sarah that commented isn't me. I'm no longer a blond. Now I'm a red head. :)

I'm the Sarah in the article. It's a common name. The other Sarah that commented isn't me. I'm no longer a blond. Now I'm a red head. :)

Havok rules! Dont knock it til you try it. Power Tools? Whats going on with that place? Or do you mean years ago as in "The Morgue" at Power Tools, a goth night that heavily influence "Underworld" and "others" thereafter.

Sorry about the sort of double post. There seems to be a huge delay on the comments going through. And no Havok sucks. Or at least thats what everyone tells me.

Yeah,the double and now triple posting is annoying. Just because some people tell you that Havok sucks doesn't mean you should believe it. Believing everything you hear and not seeing for yourself isn't wise. This is the very sentiment that is killing the scene. You should go to Havok and see for yourself. Give the place a chance. And this isn't meant to be in a negative light. Just wish everyone would get back to supporting our scene instead of competing to tear it down. Things were different in the 80's and early 90's.

Havok isn't part of the scene. When the promoter for that event started stabbing his friends in the back and not paying his bills and debts it ceased to be part of the Gothic Scene in Houston. Its a rave event. And since Nokia could never afford to actually buy or even rent a building to actually call Havok instead of it just being a second hand event at someone else's club, it will never be considered a club. Havok sucks, period. Rave has nothing to do with Goth.

If all the Goth people and club goers in the scene I know tell me an event or a club sucks, I'm going to listen to them. Its not like movie reviews. People say a club sucks it very likely does. Besides, I stopped going out to night clubs about 7 years ago when I got raped in the parking lot of one. So if people like that place or not it really makes no difference to me, just relaying a popular opinion.

"And since Nokia could never afford to actually buy or even rent a building to actually call Havok instead of it just being a second hand event at someone else's club, it will never be considered a club."

in that case underworld is a second hand event. mina only runs it cuz shes friends with the OWNER. Did you really think that she pays rent for it? come on. she puts out just as much as nokia and everyone else who has has a club "night". if a club night fails its mostly cuz of the venue. numbers itself has been around for some time and cuz it has and still is, underworld has been a SECURED CLUB NIGHT.

come to think of it i dont know any past GOTH club nights that the owners of the venue ran here in houston like for example the church in dallas.

Underworld was around for a long time before Havok and Nokia's other pointless projects that he basically used to pay for his drugs (because that money wasn't going to the club or the bands that played or those that "worked" for him). No, Havok was created by people who at one time supported Underworld and for some reason, either through greed or too much drug use, they decided to use it to oppose Underworld and the others who still supported it. In the beginning Havok was decent. But he stopped paying his debts and began to think he owned the place and the he and his event WERE the Gothic Scene. Anyone who wanted to disagree or do something else got crapped on and stabbed in the back. The people who really believe in the Gothic Scene in Houston don't support his crap because of his underhanded drug addled BS and the way he likes to screw over his long time friends. Since then anything that he has done has hardly even scratched the surface of what Underworld is and what Havok could have been. ...and Power Tools did close down years ago.

To be technical for a promoter to have an event at a night club, such as a "Goth Night" in order to continue having that night repeated they have to make a certain dollar amount on the door costs. If they don't make that amount of money they can't justify continuing that special night. HaVok made the mistake of failing repeatedly to do that. They even failed to pay the out of town entertainment as well as the local bands that came to play on those nights. So whoever was promoting that night built up quite a bit of debt until finally the people that owned the Palace kicked him out. He went to Encounters and then from there to Middle Earth which had the same owner. Then he got cocky and started claiming it was his club. Well the owners decided they'd had enough carrying him and booted him out. Since then many of his friends have realized he doesn't keep up his side of things and will drop them at the slightest sign of difference. So how he's managed to keep in bed with some of the people he's associated with now is anyone's guess. But some of us are pretty sure its not clean due to his past activities. Whatever there is thats left of this "Gothic Scene" thing has nothing to do with HaVoK.

i think that we should go out to a club becuz we want to have a good time and be with friends. its a way to escape everyday life. who cares really who runs the nights. thats like caring about the manager at a burger joint. if the burger is good and you like it, eat it. i have heard that mina has stabbed lots of people in the back too including friends of hers. i guess its a pomoters way of life. having fun dancing to goth music and not caring about who runs it is mine. if you dont like havok thats cool man.

Goth music at a night club. What a novel idea. The last time I went to Havoc it was rave music like the other guy said. Its not goth by even the slightest standards. Underworld is barely goth but its a helluva lot closer than Havoc. and yes it does matter who's running the events. Its part of the atmosphere. These people like what's his name Naka or whatever ruin it. His shows were never cool just vague attempts at being more than who he was. Its not about the music, because he doesn't care about that. You go there and dance and your admitting to be blind to the sickness behind the people who run it.

Heh, comparing eating a burger to an enlightened experience, very funny, interesting but funny. If something tastes good that doesn't mean you should be eating it. You never know what's in it, what kind of poisons are there. Mina's a good girl. She would never intentionally hurt someone or do them wrong. She has a job. Nokia doesn't. She's never taken sides to any clique and always stayed to herself and did what she needed to do to make sure her job was stable. She never made promises she couldn't keep or cultivated false expectations. She has only tried her best to please everyone else. Nokia is just trying to get his next ice fix. Its what's behind a club that makes it great. Sure you can dance all night long to something meaningless and hollow that doesn't care about you. But why not support something that is there for you and all the other people who want to enjoy and not just for itself. Havok is there for Nokia not you. Until he figures out and admits that he screwed over the people who made him his events will never be cool. I don't care what your reasons are for going, its disgusting. Havok is rotten to the core. Underworld is at least honest. And as far as the people who don't care about the Gothic Scene, just because they aren't in it anymore doesn't mean its not there.

Whatever happened to just trying to have a good time and not giving a shit about others personal lives or how they run their business? Do you think drugs are something new to the this scene? Why do you all love this kind of drama anyway? How does it make your life any more relevant or more important than the next person? You guys are missing my point completely. This is the very reason I dropped out of the scene a long time ago. I use to be part of the back-stabbing bullshit myself. Until I realized how shitty I felt as a person every time I opened my mouth. I use to be a huge bitch and hated life every fucking day because I was too busy fighting with people over shit that had nothing to do with my life. I'm 36 now and let me tell you folks. It doesn't get any better than what you've got right now. You can either sit around and piss and whine over people you can't change,or you can get on with life and work on yourselves. Life has gotten a LOT better once I came to the realization that I didn't need that kind of shit anymore. Take it from someone who's been at the bottom and had to crawl back to the top. This is it folks. You want a better scene,work for it. Or go to another town and start the fuck over. But cut the whiney shit out. Don't like my point of view? Ask me if I give a shit?

Hey, guys, great job demonstrating why Houston's scene has such a bad reputation for drama-mongering, back-stabbing, glory-hounding bullshit. Give yourselves a round of applause, seriously. It's just so much easier to call names from behind your keyboard than it is to actually go out and DO something about it, right?

Yeah sure you can also be friendly with a child molester. He might be a cool guy an all but he's still a child molester. You want to go to a shitty club run by shitty people to have a good time go right ahead. Go ahead and support those people who could decided to spread nasty rumors about you. Rumors so bad you lose your job. Rumors that make it hard for you to make friends. Rumors so bad that people who know you don't want to anymore. Yeah people who would threaten your family. Hey lets go support those people and have ourselves a good ole time in their clubs. Sure I wanna be friends with a drug addict. He might be a drug addict but he plays some great rave music. I wanna give money to him!

Are you guys that stupid to think that Nokio is the only gothic promoter that is using drugs? What blind sad fools you people are. WTF!

I believe the point is that his drug use has gone so far as to have an effect on his judgment when it comes to not only business but also his friends and those who at one time stood behind him. He has betrayed many of the people that he called friends who supported him in the scene and it was largely due to his drug use and selfishness.

Wow, I remember the Sarah mentioned in the article. Actually
we went to the same elementry school togther. I distinctly remember being sent to the principal's office and lo and behold, there was Sarah. Hey Sarah, nice to hear you are still out and about. Just in case you are wondering, you had a blond perm and dated, at the time, a dude named Joey(?)How's it going? Link Leopards Rule!

A lot of these comments are true about some certain
situations, but the point is that the scene is dying out. I am an admin on a site where we are trying to bring back the scene by people going out and getting back into the scene. It's been a failed attempt so far because some people criticize far beyond what anyone can tolerate. Not only that people nowadays play the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part.
The scene use to be fun and everyone back then that went to Scumbers and the Abyss didn't act as the people do nowadays. I don't know if it's the hot ass weather that makes everyone such shity people or if it's just people are asshole's these days. Seriously Underworld and Havok suck because of the people that attend those shows. The DJ's that run these shows are not at fault because it's not them that persuade the people to act like morons. At least they are trying to do something about this scene then totally abandon it.
If your interested in trying to get this scene back to what it use to be then visit http://vampirefreaks.com/cult/HOUSTON_EVENT_CONNECTION
Thanks again Mina and Naika for attempting to bring back a dying scene.

Well I don't think the post went through but nonetheless the scene here is dead. The reason why is because the people that attend these shows are asshole's. The Dj's Mina and Naika(which everyone has misspelled) are not to blame for the idiots that walk into the nights where they spin. To rant and talk shit about drug use or anything else that slanders a person just shows how stupid people in this scene can be. In fact unless you have proof I'm certain Naika can sue for defamation of character, but either way this scene has to many morons that talk shit. I mean the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part is sad. Man give me the old days back when the Abyss and Scumbers had shows every other night and the people that attended were not asshole's. You could pass a joint and shove a few moshers without the "Damn I can't talk to him. He's not wearing any eyeliner or leather." I guess it could be the weather that is making everyone so pissy but then again thats just making an excuse for people that have no hope for intelligence.

I'm quite shocked to see alot of the comments with my name in it. I'm use to hearing rumors and negative things being said about me but it still amazes me how hateful people can be and how resources of free speech, such as this blog can be used to destroy a persons name. I can't even properly focus on the articles message, but wow. Turning my cheek has not worked. I think I'm actually going to take this legally.

ALEX,I have a bad memory with names,so re-fresh me please? Yeah,I dated Joey McPheters. And why did you mention the bad perm? Oh jeez,it was bad! How the hell did you remember me?

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so this is where rosenoir moved to?

Wow, this is exactly why I chose to never get involved in the scene. Honestly speaking here now. True..very true, Naika has moved away from Goth...digidolls, etc...but If you go back to the days of Encounters when he was bringing in great bands, and had good ties with the promoters..he had a good run. Can't take that away from him. Now lately, I popped into one of his events, and there was like 9 or 10 people. It was kinda lame..stayed for a beer and left. As for what he does on his personal time..well.. thats his bag. It's not like you can't find 100 or so people at numbers that float back and forth to Ricks and Numbers/Underworld.

Mina, She's always had a good showing, and keeps with stable respectable people with numbers. She's had some good guest DJs on the main floor, but usually it's the same 50 songs a night. Sorry, but it's really cool once, and then it kinda fades out after the second and third time.

I agree tho with everyone who has said unkind words about the scene here. It's drama laced (OMG.he deleted me from myspace).. It's all back stabbers, one-uppers, wanna-bees and twirling glow sticks. But the sad part, is that 1) the scene has gotten so destroyed in the last 2 years, Either from bands not getting paid, or poor showings, or the fact that you can't fill up the Engine Room with any of these bands..OR..you're plagued by 200 18 year olds wearing HIM shirts thinking that they're goth. The way that the scene is going, you're not attracting any new supporters of the genre.

Houston, it's time to hang up the Goth, get jobs, loose the 20 piercings in your face, the photoshopped myspaces, and the put down the pipe. You're only important to your top 8 friends.

The only word that I can give to anyone going to these 2 clubs is this. Watch your drinks and watch where you park. There's alot of sick bastards that frequent them. Not to take a Jab here tho Naika, legal action? I would challenge you to come up with reciepts for the last 2 years to bands that you've paid, and pass a drug test, before you scream defamation of char.

shane margulis/genni: you're a disgusting waste of flesh. how dare you attack naika and say those slanderous things about him. you would only say these things to his face if you had your retarded amazon of a girlfriend stink (alison blair) swinging her battle axe around behind you.

don't ever talk about naika this way again. he has NEVER done anything against you or alison. he doesn't care about you. you are the one who has to have this crazy revenge on him every chance you get because of some silly misguided hate. if you want to get mad, get mad at alison for taking compromising photos of herself and allowing them to be posted for the world to see. naika had nothing to do with those photos being posted up at havok.

you constantly validate all the people who dislike you because you constantly have to raise your head and shout out stupid things against people who are beyond you. shut up and sit down. no one likes you, no one cares about you. grow up and get a life.

What an AWSOME article, Thanks Chris Grey!!! I was so happy to read such a great article that was about The Houston Goth Scene. I was glad that it wasn’t about ONE particular person, but was rather about some of the Past and Present Bands and People that had their part in making it "A Scene". When I was talking to a friend about this article, they said “yea’ did you read the comments about it”. I was shocked to read such nonsense. I was not going to comment and make myself apart of this embarrassing drama. But I think the record needs to be set straight,
I am sick and tired of hearing people talk smack about Naika, First off, I don’t think Havok sets out to “compete” with any other Goth related Venue or Events.(As I recall the Day of the Peter Murphy show, the one that Dj Mina was DJing at, Naika posted a Flyer as a bulletin on my space (PROMOTING THE EVENT.)
Get over your personal issues with Naika and Havok. I remember back in the day when He ran just a web site,
Realm Gothica.com. On that site was anything and everything that Houston’s Goth scene had to Offer. I appreciate what He does, for OUR scene. He’s a Promoter, which works hard. Club Havok gives Houston club goers just one more option of the many things to do. This segregated group that make up Our scene is what is tearing it apart, I have never had any of my friends give me a hard time because I go to one club rather than the other. When asked why Our scene is split, I truly can’t give you an honest answer. I used to go to Numbers every Friday Night, hell I even had a VIP card that got me in to EVERY concert they had, I had that card for 3 or 4 years.I have my personal reasons for not going to numbers, IT IS MY reason, and I don’t give any on a hard time for going. And It IS NOT because of the promoters at either of these venues that host a Goth Night. So when I hear comments like the one that follows, it really makes me angry...
“It’s unfortunate that some idiot thought to tell the writer about those wannabes with Havok and all their crap. Who told him they had anything to do with the Goth scene? Of course I don't live in Houston. I didn't think most of those other clubs even existed anymore. /Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 02:47 am”
……“Of coarse you don’t live in Houston???? Stop posting nonsense about something you have no knowledge about.if yourin Houston, Your vote doesnt count, Read on….XX
Havok rules! Don’t knock it till you try it. Power Tools? Whats going on with that place? Or do you mean years ago as in "The Morgue" at Power Tools, a Goth night that heavily influenced "Underworld" and "others" thereafter.
Comment by The Billy from Houston/Dallas on Jul 10th, 2008, 12:57 pm
Sorry about the sort of double post. There seems to be a huge delay on the comments going through. And no Havok sucks. Or at least thats what everyone tells me.
Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 18:51 pm
Yeah,the double and now triple posting is annoying. Just because some people tell you that Havok sucks doesn't mean you should believe it. Believing everything you hear and not seeing for yourself isn't wise. This is the very sentiment that is killing the scene. You should go to Havok and see for yourself. Give the place a chance. And this isn't meant to be in a negative light. Just wish everyone would get back to supporting our scene instead of competing to tear it down. Things were different in the 80's and early 90's.
Comment by Sarah Hill from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 19:35 pm

If all the Goth people and club goers in the scene I know tell me an event or a club sucks, I'm going to listen to them. Its not like movie reviews. People say a club sucks it very likely does. Besides, I stopped going out to night clubs about 7 years ago when I got raped in the parking lot of one. So if people like that place or not it really makes no difference to me, just relaying a popular opinion.
Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 11th, 2008, 16:13 pm

(((“I got raped in the parking lot of one?? Mispelling or was it numerous times??)))

Let me guess you were raped in Numbers parking lot, I bet it was the Ruppies someone put in your drink, as I remember being in High School, Fox News did a special about Rohypnol,( a Date Rape Drug) guess at who’s Venue Doors they broadcasted from, Yup Numbers… and speaking of Drugs and Numbers, Remember Blind Melon?? Yup the singer overdosed from Bad drugs he got…. At numbers…. XX

"And since Nokia could never afford to actually buy or even rent a building to actually call Havok instead of it just being a second hand event at someone else's club, it will never be considered a club."
in that case underworld is a second hand event. mina only runs it cuz shes friends with the OWNER. Did you really think that she pays rent for it? come on. she puts out just as much as nokia and everyone else who has has a club "night". if a club night fails its mostly cuz of the venue. numbers itself has been around for some time and cuz it has and still is, underworld has been a SECURED CLUB NIGHT.

come to think of it i dont know any past GOTH club nights that the owners of the venue ran here in houston like for example the church in dallas.
Comment by the billy from houston dallas on Jul 11th, 2008, 16:16 pm

i think that we should go out to a club becuz we want to have a good time and be with friends. its a way to escape everyday life. who cares really who runs the nights. thats like caring about the manager at a burger joint. if the burger is good and you like it, eat it. i have heard that mina has stabbed lots of people in the back too including friends of hers. i guess its a pomoters way of life. having fun dancing to goth music and not caring about who runs it is mine. if you dont like havok thats cool man.
Comment by the billy from houston dallas on Jul 11th, 2008, 20:59 pm
”She would never intentionally hurt someone or do them wrong. She's never taken sides to any clique and always stayed to herself and did what she needed to do to make sure her job was stable. Sure you can dance all night long to something meaningless and hollow that doesn't care about you. But why not support something that is there for you and all the other people who want to enjoy and not just for itself.” Comment by Shane from Houston on Jul 11th, 2008, 23:10 pm

Now this is what really upsets me, Shane, you haven’t the clue, I lost a very close friend at numbers, I wont go into details, but back Stabber, Carmina isn’t, they’d rather stab you in the heart and put you on the stage to die. If they had kicked Tommy out earlier for fighting a girl, then Brody Might still be alive, but because Tommy was part of the little clique, that included Carmina, they didn’t. They didn’t even want to call an Ambulance.Until it was too late and my friend bleed to death…… I wished His Parents would have sued Numbers for neglegence, they had a case. and what is even worse, Carmina has a "memorial show, in Memory of Brody" admission was 10 bucks.. they didn't give that money to Brody's parents, they cashed in on my Friends death... XXWhatever happened to just trying to have a good time and not giving a shit about others personal lives or how they run their business? Do you think drugs are something new to the this scene? Why do you all love this kind of drama anyway? How does it make your life any more relevant or more important than the next person? You guys are missing my point completely. This is the very reason I dropped out of the scene a long time ago. I use to be part of the back-stabbing bullshit myself. Until I realized how shitty I felt as a person every time I opened my mouth. I use to be a huge bitch and hated life every fucking day because I was too busy fighting with people over shit that had nothing to do with my life. I'm 36 now and let me tell you folks. It doesn't get any better than what you've got right now. You can either sit around and piss and whine over people you can't change,or you can get on with life and work on yourselves. Life has gotten a LOT better once I came to the realization that I didn't need that kind of shit anymore. Take it from someone who's been at the bottom and had to crawl back to the top. This is it folks. You want a better scene,work for it. Or go to another town and start the fuck over. But cut the whiney shit out. Don't like my point of view? Ask me if I give a shit?
Comment by Sarah Hill from Houston on Jul 12th, 2008, 01:15 am
Hey, guys, great job demonstrating why Houston's scene has such a bad reputation for drama-mongering, back-stabbing, glory-hounding bullshit. Give yourselves a round of applause, seriously. It's just so much easier to call names from behind your keyboard than it is to actually go out and DO something about it, right?
Comment by MG from Houston on Jul 12th, 2008, 18:21 pm A lot of these comments are true about some certain situations, but the point is that the scene is dying out. I am an admin on a site where we are trying to bring back the scene by people going out and getting back into the scene. It's been a failed attempt so far because some people criticize far beyond what anyone can tolerate. Not only that people nowadays play the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part.
The scene use to be fun and everyone back then that went to Scumbers and the Abyss didn't act as the people do nowadays. I don't know if it's the hot ass weather that makes everyone such shity people or if it's just people are asshole's these days. Seriously Underworld and Havok suck because of the people that attend those shows. The DJ's that run these shows are not at fault because it's not them that persuade the people to act like morons. At least they are trying to do something about this scene then totally abandon it.
If your interested in trying to get this scene back to what it use to be then visit http://vampirefreaks.com/cult/HOUSTON_EVENT_CONNECTION
Thanks again Mina and Naika for attempting to bring back a dying scene.
Comment by Jason from Houston on Jul 16th, 2008, 15:25 pm
Well I don't think the post went through but nonetheless the scene here is dead. The reason why is because the people that attend these shows are asshole's. The Dj's Mina and Naika(which everyone has misspelled) are not to blame for the idiots that walk into the nights where they spin. To rant and talk shit about drug use or anything else that slanders a person just shows how stupid people in this scene can be. In fact unless you have proof I'm certain Naika can sue for defamation of character, but either way this scene has to many morons that talk shit. I mean the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part is sad. Man give me the old days back when the Abyss and Scumbers had shows every other night and the people that attended were not asshole's. You could pass a joint and shove a few moshers without the "Damn I can't talk to him. He's not wearing any eyeliner or leather." I guess it could be the weather that is making everyone so pissy but then again thats just making an excuse for people that have no hope for intelligence.
Comment by Jason from Houston on Jul 16th, 2008, 15:53 pm
I'm quite shocked to see alot of the comments with my name in it. I'm use to hearing rumors and negative things being said about me but it still amazes me how hateful people can be and how resources of free speech, such as this blog can be used to destroy a persons name. I can't even properly focus on the articles message, but wow. Turning my cheek has not worked. I think I'm actually going to take this legally.
Comment by Naika from Houston on Jul 17th, 2008, 06:03 am

…. I’m closing here, I included some of the comments, but some of them were pointless. However, one more thing I want to say, as a promoter myself, a word of advice to local bands, I have yet to see a band that played a venue where no one showed up and still got paid. So for Local bands that play out, if you want to have a split off the door or want to get paid, get out there and promote for it, don’t leave it up to ONE promoter to do it for you.
Don’t blame Naika because YOU can’t pull a crowd.
Naika, We appreciate what you do for the scene. I appreciate you in trying to help the Houston Night Life grow and expand. Thanks for giving me a reason to come out. Don’t let all this nonsense drag you down. Just think what Houston would be like with out Club HaVok. Don’t let your success be foiled by one or two idiots that have nothing good to say they prolly don’t like themselves so why should they like You ??

What an AWSOME article, Thanks Chris Grey!!! I was so happy to read such a great article that was about The Houston Goth Scene. I was glad that it wasn’t about ONE particular person, but was rather about some of the Past and Present Bands and People that had their part in making it. When I was talking to a friend about this article, they said “yea’ did you read the comments about it”. I was shocked to read such nonsense. I was not going to comment and make myself apart of this embarrassing drama. But I think the record needs to be set straight,
I am sick and tired of hearing people talk smack about Naika, First off, I don’t think Havok sets out to “compete” with any other Goth related Venue or Events.(As I recall the Day of the Peter Murphy show, the one that Dj Mina was DJing at, Naika posted a Flyer as a bulletin on my space….(PROMOTING THE EVENT.)
Get over your personal issues with Naika and Havok. I remember back in the day when He ran just a web site, Realm Gothica.com. On that site was anything and everything that Houston’s Goth scene had to Offer. I appreciate what He does, for OUR scene. He’s a Promoter, which works hard. Club Havok gives Houston club goers just one more option of the many things to do. This segregated group that make up Our scene is what is tearing it apart, I have never had any of my friends give me a hard time because I go to one club rather than the other. When asked why Our scene is split, I truly can’t give you an honest answer. I used to go to Numbers every Friday Night, hell I even had a VIP card that got me in to EVERY concert they had, I had that card for 3 or 4 years. Numbers has been around for over 25 years. I have my personal reasons for not going to numbers, IT IS MY reason, and I don’t give any on a hard time for going. And It IS NOT because of the promoters at either of these venues that host a Goth Night. So when I hear comments like the one that follows, it really makes me angry...XX
“It’s unfortunate that some idiot thought to tell the writer about those wannabes with Havok and all their crap. Who told him they had anything to do with the Goth scene? Of course I don't live in Houston. I didn't think most of those other clubs even existed anymore. /Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 02:47 am”
……. “Of coarse you don’t live in Houston???? Stop posting nonsense about something you have no knowledge about.if You dont Live in Houston, your vote doesnt count. Read on…XX
Havok rules! Don’t knock it till you try it. Power Tools? Whats going on with that place? Or do you mean years ago as in "The Morgue" at Power Tools, a Goth night that heavily influenced "Underworld" and "others" thereafter.
Comment by The Billy from Houston/Dallas on Jul 10th, 2008, 12:57 pm
Sorry about the sort of double post. There seems to be a huge delay on the comments going through. And no Havok sucks. Or at least thats what everyone tells me.
Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 18:51 pm
Yeah,the double and now triple posting is annoying. Just because some people tell you that Havok sucks doesn't mean you should believe it. Believing everything you hear and not seeing for yourself isn't wise. This is the very sentiment that is killing the scene. You should go to Havok and see for yourself. Give the place a chance. And this isn't meant to be in a negative light. Just wish everyone would get back to supporting our scene instead of competing to tear it down. Things were different in the 80's and early 90's.
Comment by Sarah Hill from Houston on Jul 10th, 2008, 19:35 pm

If all the Goth people and club goers in the scene I know tell me an event or a club sucks, I'm going to listen to them. Its not like movie reviews. People say a club sucks it very likely does. Besides, I stopped going out to night clubs about 7 years ago when I got raped in the parking lot of one. So if people like that place or not it really makes no difference to me, just relaying a popular opinion.
Comment by Genni from Houston on Jul 11th, 2008, 16:13 pm

(((“I got raped in the parking lot of one?? Mispelling or was it numerous times??)))

Let me guess you were raped in Numbers parking lot, I bet it was the Ruppies someone put in your drink, as I remember being in High School, Fox News did a special about Rohypnol,( a Date Rape Drug) guess at who’s Venue Doors they broadcasted from, Yup Numbers… and speaking of Drugs and Numbers, Remember Blind Melon?? Yup the singer overdosed from Bad drugs he got… At numbers…. XX

"And since Nokia could never afford to actually buy or even rent a building to actually call Havok instead of it just being a second hand event at someone else's club, it will never be considered a club."
in that case underworld is a second hand event. mina only runs it cuz shes friends with the OWNER. Did you really think that she pays rent for it? come on. she puts out just as much as nokia and everyone else who has has a club "night". if a club night fails its mostly cuz of the venue. numbers itself has been around for some time and cuz it has and still is, underworld has been a SECURED CLUB NIGHT.

come to think of it i dont know any past GOTH club nights that the owners of the venue ran here in houston like for example the church in dallas.
Comment by the billy from houston dallas on Jul 11th, 2008, 16:16 pm

i think that we should go out to a club becuz we want to have a good time and be with friends. its a way to escape everyday life. who cares really who runs the nights. thats like caring about the manager at a burger joint. if the burger is good and you like it, eat it. i have heard that mina has stabbed lots of people in the back too including friends of hers. i guess its a pomoters way of life. having fun dancing to goth music and not caring about who runs it is mine. if you dont like havok thats cool man.
Comment by the billy from houston dallas on Jul 11th, 2008, 20:59 pm

”She would never intentionally hurt someone or do them wrong. She's never taken sides to any clique and always stayed to herself and did what she needed to do to make sure her job was stable. Sure you can dance all night long to something meaningless and hollow that doesn't care about you. But why not support something that is there for you and all the other people who want to enjoy and not just for itself.” Comment by Shane from Houston on Jul 11th, 2008, 23:10 pm

Now this is what really upsets me, Shane, you haven’t the clue, I lost a very close friend at numbers, I wont go into details, but back Stabber, Carmina isn’t, they’d rather stab you in the heart and put you on the stage to die. If they had kicked Tommy out earlier for fighting a girl, then Brody Might still be alive, but because Tommy was part of the little clique, that included Carmina, they didn’t. They didn’t even want to call an Ambulance.
Until it was too late and my friend bleed to death and what’s worse is that Carmina had a “memorial, In Memory of Brody” night, admission was 10 bucks, they didn’t give that money to Brody’s Parents, they Cashed in on my friend’s death….XXWhatever happened to just trying to have a good time and not giving a shit about others personal lives or how they run their business? Do you think drugs are something new to the this scene? Why do you all love this kind of drama anyway? How does it make your life any more relevant or more important than the next person? You guys are missing my point completely. This is the very reason I dropped out of the scene a long time ago. I use to be part of the back-stabbing bullshit myself. Until I realized how shitty I felt as a person every time I opened my mouth. I use to be a huge bitch and hated life every fucking day because I was too busy fighting with people over shit that had nothing to do with my life. I'm 36 now and let me tell you folks. It doesn't get any better than what you've got right now. You can either sit around and piss and whine over people you can't change,or you can get on with life and work on yourselves. Life has gotten a LOT better once I came to the realization that I didn't need that kind of shit anymore. Take it from someone who's been at the bottom and had to crawl back to the top. This is it folks. You want a better scene,work for it. Or go to another town and start the fuck over. But cut the whiney shit out. Don't like my point of view? Ask me if I give a shit?
Comment by Sarah Hill from Houston on Jul 12th, 2008, 01:15 am
Hey, guys, great job demonstrating why Houston's scene has such a bad reputation for drama-mongering, back-stabbing, glory-hounding bullshit. Give yourselves a round of applause, seriously. It's just so much easier to call names from behind your keyboard than it is to actually go out and DO something about it, right?
Comment by MG from Houston on Jul 12th, 2008, 18:21 pm A lot of these comments are true about some certain situations, but the point is that the scene is dying out. I am an admin on a site where we are trying to bring back the scene by people going out and getting back into the scene. It's been a failed attempt so far because some people criticize far beyond what anyone can tolerate. Not only that people nowadays play the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part.
The scene use to be fun and everyone back then that went to Scumbers and the Abyss didn't act as the people do nowadays. I don't know if it's the hot ass weather that makes everyone such shity people or if it's just people are asshole's these days. Seriously Underworld and Havok suck because of the people that attend those shows. The DJ's that run these shows are not at fault because it's not them that persuade the people to act like morons. At least they are trying to do something about this scene then totally abandon it. If your interested in trying to get this scene back to what it use to be then visit http://vampirefreaks.com/cult/HOUSTON_EVENT_CONNECTION
Thanks again Mina and Naika for attempting to bring back a dying scene.
Comment by Jason from Houston on Jul 16th, 2008, 15:25 pm

Well I don't think the post went through but nonetheless the scene here is dead. The reason why is because the people that attend these shows are asshole's. The Dj's Mina and Naika(which everyone has misspelled) are not to blame for the idiots that walk into the nights where they spin. To rant and talk shit about drug use or anything else that slanders a person just shows how stupid people in this scene can be. In fact unless you have proof I'm certain Naika can sue for defamation of character, but either way this scene has to many morons that talk shit. I mean the gother then thou and I'll only talk to you because you dress the part is sad. Man give me the old days back when the Abyss and Scumbers had shows every other night and the people that attended were not asshole's. You could pass a joint and shove a few moshers without the "Damn I can't talk to him. He's not wearing any eyeliner or leather." I guess it could be the weather that is making everyone so pissy but then again thats just making an excuse for people that have no hope for intelligence.
Comment by Jason from Houston on Jul 16th, 2008, 15:53 pm
I'm quite shocked to see alot of the comments with my name in it. I'm use to hearing rumors and negative things being said about me but it still amazes me how hateful people can be and how resources of free speech, such as this blog can be used to destroy a persons name. I can't even properly focus on the articles message, but wow. Turning my cheek has not worked. I think I'm actually going to take this legally. Comment by Naika from Houston on Jul 17th, 2008, 06:03 am

…. I’m closing here, I included some of the comments, but some of them were pointless. However, one more thing I want to say, as a promoter myself, a word of advice to local bands, I have yet to see a band that played a venue where no one showed up and still got paid. So for Local bands that play out, if you want to have a split off the door or want to get paid, get out there and promote for it, don’t leave it up to ONE promoter to do it for you. Don’t blame Naika because YOU can’t pull a crowd.
Naika, We appreciate what you do for the scene. I appreciate you in trying to help the Houston Night Life grow and expand. Thanks for giving me a reason to come out. Don’t let all this nonsense drag you down. Just think what Houston would be like with out Club HaVok. Don’t let your success be foiled by one or two idiots that have nothing good to say they prolly don’t like themselves so why should they like You ?? XX

Wow. See this is why I was so refreshed to go to a place like "The Church" In Dallas or Elysium in Austin, you go to these places and its not like no one will talk to you because you hang out with ___ or they wont talk to you because your not dressed up perfectly. This is our scene in Houston guys, if you aren't a part of the "in crowd" you cant make friends and you get rumors spread and people say shit about you.

And then as you all have proved, even the promoters of these venues are attacked. Do any of you people even KNOW Naika? Meet him? Talked to him? He's got faults, we all do its human nature, but he's been doing what he can go bring fantastic bands to Houston for as long as I can remember. I loved The Cruxshadows show at encounters, and The Birthday Massacre and numerous other things he's done, and he's done it all for us, the people in "the scene".

And what do you people do, first chance you get? Tear him and his club down, yes so its gotten a little more "rave" in the past year or two, well thats what he has to do to draw a crowd. Obviously you "true goths" aren't supporting him, so who is? YOU people just want to stat drama and make everyone look bad and its sick.

Why would anyone want to support a scene thats so convoluted with hatred and backstabbing, lies and useless shit. Its no wonder our scene is dying...you people tearing everyone down are the cancer that is killing it.

Keep on spreading the rumors and lies, and when both Havok and Underworld finally go under (not to say thats in the near future, I hope it doesn't happen.) you can all blame yourselves.

I could care less with all this banter because no one is really speaking of a scene - they are defending and being defended.

On that note:

Martin XX = Scott Allison of Opulent he is managed by Naika

and he is wrong about Brody's situation- I was there and helped Carmina and others in the situation.

It is nothing as he described.

Sad someone without the TRUTH or knowledge would speak about something out of anger. Scott I am sorry your friend died but I was there and you where not.

This whole thread is so far off its not even funny.....

A few people bicker and that becomes a scene.

Everyone has forgetting the whole point in the article and are now using it for their own agenda.

vicious circle

Please Don't add my name this crap.

Shane, Nobody cares what a "man" like you thinks when you cant keep a job and whore out your wife to pay the bills. What a pathetic piece of offal you are.....

Wow - you people all really suck

Yes, Naika does booking for Opulent. ALL these Slanderous comments need to be taken ASAP, you have violeted the terms of Use. Read it, Naika may not have the Money for a Lawyer But I do. I have already contacted the Houston Press, they will be hearing from my Lawyer in the Morning. NO JOKE, thanks- Allison Scott
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