Wild Rides

Between serious safety and environmental concerns, the Toyota Prius isn't the angel that everyone thinks it is.

The Pacific Institute, which works to "create a healthier planet and sustainable communities," also responded to "Dust to Dust" with a seven-page rebuttal.

"It just didn't seem logical to us that hybrids or smaller compact cars would have a higher total energy component than bigger SUVs, and that's sort of raised it to our attention," says Peter Gleick, a co-founder of the Pacific Institute. "We realized it just wasn't right."

Houstonian Bobette Riner had her Prius for a couple months before it took off and died, leaving her stranded on the side of the road. Now she's stuck with a car she's afraid to drive.
Daniel Kramer
Houstonian Bobette Riner had her Prius for a couple months before it took off and died, leaving her stranded on the side of the road. Now she's stuck with a car she's afraid to drive.
Doug Korthof lives near Toyota headquarters in California. He thinks the Prius helped kill the electric car.
Jennie Warren
Doug Korthof lives near Toyota headquarters in California. He thinks the Prius helped kill the electric car.

The Pacific Institute report took issue, among other things, with errors in analysis, misuse of certainty and uncertainty and the lack of transparency in regard to funding.

"The truth is it's been completely discredited from an analytical point of view," Gleick says. "It's sometimes hard to convince people that they're wrong."

Spinella stands by the findings published in "Dust to Dust," and he says that the report shouldn't boil down to Hummer versus Prius.

"They should compare [the Prius] to the Corolla. No one thinking about buying a Prius is going to be persuaded to buy a Hummer," Spinella says. "If you're in Los Angeles, the clear answer is Prius, but your carbon footprint isn't just where you are. It isn't any better for the world environment, because it takes more energy to produce."


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It doesn't take much of a pitch to sell a Prius, says Johnny "J-Mac" McFolling, a salesman at Houston's Mike Calvert Toyota.

McFolling wouldn't drive a Prius, he says, because he's a big man and everyone in his family is big, too, but he loved the car when they all sold at "sticker price or higher."

"You can tell a Prius owner, not by looking at them, but as soon as they start talking," McFolling says. "You don't have to sell a Prius; they're already sold when someone comes through that door."

Those buyers haven't been around much in the last six months, and McFolling says Prius sales have dropped 90 percent since summer while Toyota truck sales have increased. The dealership was selling 25 Priuses a month and could've moved more if Toyota had delivered them, but those days are gone.

Mike Calvert sold Riner her Prius, but after the technician told her the car took off because she was low on gas, she wanted nothing to do with it.

The dealer offered about $12,000 less than what she'd paid for the car, explaining he couldn't sell a Prius to save his life.

"He said, 'The market is soft for Priuses because of gas prices,'" Riner says.

The other owners of runaway Priuses have fared differently:

Sherman loves her Prius and is keeping it until it takes off again on its own.

After his wild test drive, McGuire walked away from the Prius but was determined to buy Toyota. He got a Camry that rattles more than any American car he's owned, and he says he won't buy Toyota again.

The Jameses kept their mangled Prius for as long as possible, hoping Toyota would take it to a laboratory for examination, but when their insurance company pressured them, they let it go. Ted James bought a new Volkswagen Jetta six-speed, so if it goes wild, "all you have to do is push in the clutch."

The Prius that Riner bought brand-new sat in her garage for a while because she hoped Toyota would change its mind about its offer. She just recently set an arbitration date with the company, and when she had the option of meeting at a dealership or fighting the case through the mail, she chose not to meet.

Unless she eats the $12,000, she's stuck with a car she's afraid to drive.

"There's some liberal embarrassment here," Riner says. "I hear all the time, 'This is the first, this is the best, this will save the world.' But what are we getting guilted into?"

paul.knight@houstonpress.com

*Correction, April 28, 2009: The original version of this article mischaracterized the action taken by Toyota in response to complaints that the Prius had uncontrolled acceleration. (Return to the corrected sentence.)

**Correction, April 28, 2009: The original version of this article mischaracterized the action taken by Toyota in response to complaints that the Prius had uncontrolled acceleration. (Return to the corrected sentence.)

***Correction, April 28, 2009: The original version of this article mischaracterized the action taken by Toyota in response to complaints that the Prius had uncontrolled acceleration. (Return to the corrected sentence.)

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  • Dave 06/18/2009 9:52:00 PM

    I think the larger issue is that regardless of the hybrid part, any car this light and small will protect you and your family less in a crash. Especially when you are hit by a larger vehicle, you will absorb the energy of the crash proportionately to the other car's larger size. I was rear ended by a car going 50 mph, while I was stationary, I had a fractured skull and lost my Cerebrospinal fluid. My vehicle was about twice the weight of the other driver's, if I'd been in a Prius it would probably have been curtains- nothing against the car but I certainly wouldn't transport children in it.

  • Steve 06/18/2009 9:35:00 PM

    Maybe the US makers are wrong trying to make a car that doesn't scream environmentalism- why else would people buy an overpriced lawnmower like the prius. So you fill that niche market and make regular cars for everbody else. It should be as green looking as possible- put wind turbines on it! it doesn't have to make sense- just appeal to the ideology and you can make a great profit margin on it?

  • Dave 05/04/2009 8:00:00 AM

    I've had my Prius since Nov 03 (one of the first 2004 models). I've NEVER ever had a MORE reliable vehicle. I've driven through snow storms, rain storms, and have NEVER experienced and problems. I am NOT a tree hugger by and stretch of the imagination. I even DOUBT global warming. I bought the Prius because of all the technical features it has and it is a MID-SIZE car NOT a compact car. I would have bought a VW diesel but I don't want to be on a first name basis with my service adviser. Talk about a biased article. WOW!!!

  • Richard Novak 04/30/2009 2:50:00 PM

    After reading your article about the Toyota Prius taking off after applying the brake makes me think the problem is in the regenerative braking system (instead of recharging the battery, reverses and the generator becomes a motor). If this is the case, the system needs a blocking diode to prevent this from occurring again.

  • Bobette 04/29/2009 1:49:00 AM

    Doubters and haters on both sides of the Prius fence, please note that during the incident described in this story, I was NOT on a cell phone; WAS watching the road; was NOT putting on eyeliner, was not engaged in some other "girly" thing like making dinner or tending to children. And if you know me, you know there's no way I try to squeeze every gallon in a tank; my foot's too heavy. While I had hoped the Prius would cure me of my leadfoot ways, it wasn't an obsession. To all those who claim operator error, how can you then cite as the solution some weird/fancy trick involving cutting off the engine -- on a highway, yet! The problem here was that the engine wasn't responding. If there are special instructions with a car, we gullible buyers should be warned by the dealer. When I described the incident to a manager at Mike Calvert Toyota he got a "Oh ****, not again!!" look on his face. So, Prius drivers, let me be the one to warn you: 1. Stay out of precipitation as much as possible. 2. Tear out any floor mats, even if you paid $900 for them in a pre-package dealer deal as I begrudgingly did. 3. Be mindful NOT to let your gas level go below say a half of a tank just to be safe. The tanks are, I'm told, like a bladder, in that they expand and contract -- and you never really know how much fuel you have. Several days after the Feb. 17 incident, there was another incident of uncommanded acceleration, also on a rainy highway in Houston. (Ironically, I was on the way to Sterling McCall Toyota -- where I had a better experience buying another car -- to see what my options were.) During the first incident, I didn't brake. It was raining! I didn't think the car hydroplaned simply because the engine suddenly cut out and NOTHING but the steering wheel worked. The second time, I gently pumped the brakes. Any other questions/speculations about my driving and its contributory cause to what smacks (to me) of a design flaw, you know what to do. Happy motoring!

  • dogmatic 04/28/2009 5:34:00 PM

    "Suddenly, she felt the car hydroplaning out of control, and when she glanced at the speedometer she realized the car had shot up to 84 mph. Riner wasn't hydroplaning; quite simply, her Prius had accelerated on its own. She pushed on the brakes but they were dead." Translation: She was hydroplaning, the front wheels suddenly liberated from the forces of friction sped up to 84mph. The brakes did not work because when you are hydroplaning, you still slide when the wheels stop spinning.

  • KaiserM715 04/28/2009 4:49:00 PM

    You made Jalopnik!! http://jalopnik.com/5230917/toyota-prius-owners-experience-the-unexpected-adventure-of-sudden-unintended-acceleration Fellow Houstonians, remember to pay attention to what is going on around you when behind the wheel, not your cell phone and not the mileage display in your Prius!!

  • Ray 04/28/2009 4:14:00 PM

    Really? So this woman hydroplanes after "constantly looking at the console to manage her fuel consumption" at 60 MPH?!? And after a serious accident in similar circumstances in the past took her leg? REALLY? Perhaps this article should focus on poor decision-making and driving skills.

  • Glenn Nichols 04/27/2009 9:09:00 PM

    "Wild Ride" by Paul Knight was a very poorly written article. As a Prius owner I am very interested in the potential problem that Paul reports on, but he confines his report solely to documenting the problems of about a half dozen Prius owners and their tribulations trying to report their problems to Toyota. Totally ignored is any information on whether or not the NTSB is aware of this problem and what their take on it is, any discussion or speculation on what may be causing the problem, what the risk is to other Prius drivers (i.e. what fraction of total Prius owners have encountered this problem) and most importantly what actions should a Prius owner take if they find themselves suddenly driving a runaway accelerating car. This story was a very poor example of investigative journalism.

  • F. Jones 04/27/2009 2:14:00 AM

    People don't blame the driver for the SUV rollovers, do they? So cut the Prius drivers some slack. It seems the great poet Robert Burns addressed this issue long ago: "O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us. To ne'er let oursels drive a Prius." As did Houston's own Geto Boys: "Some might say "Take a chill, B, but f*ck that shit! There's Prius tryin' to kill me!"

  • Tom 04/26/2009 8:14:00 AM

    Are you going to write a second part? Because, with so many Priuses accelerating without explanation, You will now have to find the truth about this ... RIGHT?

  • Andy 04/24/2009 6:26:00 AM

    Just another reason why I'm glad I bought a new Jetta TDI (diesel for the ignorant) 3 years ago. With almost 60K on the odometer, I still average about 48 MPG (almost 700 miles per tank). It's nice to have a fuel-efficient car that isn't a pretentious science experiment on wheels; my car is available with a stick shift and normal tires--not the skinny bicycle tires you get on the Prius. In other words, even though it's extremely fuel-efficient, it's still a NORMAL car. There's no way in hell you could have as much fun driving twisty Hill Country roads in a Prius as you could in my Jetta. The best part is that I run my car on biodiesel; while the smug Prius owners are still using imported fuel I'm using US-grown and produced fuel. Take that, tree-huggers!

  • Matt 04/24/2009 4:37:00 AM

    I see both sides of the picture here, and I think Toyota needs to get up and give there loyal followers a good explanation. I have followed cars my whole life and I find Toyota basically calling everyone who bought there cars ignorant to be very offensive. The fact that some cars have had unexplained acceleration while most of them haven't is no reason to call it driver error. Has Toyota ever even offered a recall on moving parts before? (I know they have, I'm not stupid) After reading this article, I was ready to get up and buy a Hummer. A minute later that feeling was gone, but none the less, I had lost all respect for Toyota. Has Toyota's dependability given them a complex that says, If something acts funny on the car, it must be something you have done. No, lets face it: even the best cars break down. I think it should be everyone responsibility to do a little to protect the environment. Everyone who drives a Prius is in someway helping the environment. But lets remember, the person driving the Civic, the Yaris, the Cobalt, or the Rabbit is in one or another also trying to help the environment. Not everyone can afford a $25000 compact car.

  • Bob F 04/23/2009 10:16:00 PM

    Houston Press, Let me preface this by stating my biases... I love the Press, but I loathe Priuses(Prii?) However, I think this article is more reminiscent of something Fox News would print in a campaign to drum up ratings. I sympathize with the folks who wrecked their beloved cars. However, unintended acceleration is a well known phenomenon that has been studied by the NTSB and other government agencies for over 20 years. The fact is that the results of the impartial studies are invariably user error: the driver either hits the gas instead of the brake, or shifts into drive with their foot on the gas. Prius drivers are generally not 'car people,' and this makes them more likely to do this because they really don't pay attention. Also, their well-documented smug nature makes them disinclined to admit fault under any circumstances. Don't blame the poor car. Look in the mirror, folks! Please see these references to back up my comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes#Unintended_acceleration http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cjm_18.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smug_Alert!

  • Bob F 04/23/2009 10:16:00 PM

    Houston Press, Let me preface this by stating my biases... I love the Press, but I loathe Priuses(Prii?) However, I think this article is more reminiscent of something Fox News would print in a campaign to drum up ratings. I sympathize with the folks who wrecked their beloved cars. However, unintended acceleration is a well known phenomenon that has been studied by the NTSB and other government agencies for over 20 years. The fact is that the results of the impartial studies are invariably user error: the driver either hits the gas instead of the brake, or shifts into drive with their foot on the gas. Prius drivers are generally not 'car people,' and this makes them more likely to do this because they really don't pay attention. Also, their well-documented smug nature makes them disinclined to admit fault under any circumstances. Don't blame the poor car. Look in the mirror, folks! Please see these references to back up my comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes#Unintended_acceleration http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cjm_18.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes#Unintended_acceleration

  • Joseph McDade 04/23/2009 7:52:00 PM

    Notice your quote from David Hermance, the so-called "Father of the American Prius": "'I'm convinced that global warming is real, and that if we're not principally responsible, we're at least contributing to that . . . I'd like to leave the planet a little better than I found it.'" Then notice this piece of information a few paragraphs down: "Hermance died in the fall of 2006 after crashing his airplane into the Pacific Ocean." His airplane. I mean, I'm sorry he's dead and all, but how very green of him.

  • JT 04/23/2009 5:59:00 PM

    First of all, I'm glad that Toyota actually had a representative talk to the Press. Too few companies do that anymore. But in response to poster #1, the article addreses the floor mat story over and over again - even including a story of a factory model surging and then stopping on a test drive. The mechanic blamed the owner for monkeying with the floor mats before the dealer helpfully told him this was a floor model car that hadn't been altered at all. Still and all, if simple floor mats can so easily cause a driving catastrophe, then that's a serious design flaw. Floor mats shouldn't require an owner's manual.

  • vince 04/23/2009 8:22:00 AM

    I totally agreed with post #1 said. pls try to report a balance news.

  • donee 04/23/2009 3:29:00 AM

    Hi Houston Press, Read through your Prius Horror Stories article. I have been a common Prius Chat website denizen over the past several years. I have wanted a Hybrid Car since learning about them in my university studies in 1979. And bought a Prius in early 2006. On Prius Chat, a few people have come along with the unintended acceleration story. Invariably, these people have admidted to having unhooked driver floor mats, or had piled the winter mat on top of the standard mats. Pretty simple way to get into trouble. Push hard on the brakes, and your heel would probably drag the mat further up, pushing the accellerator pedal hard. New Prius drivers regularily report running out of gas, thinking they had allot more fuel in the car on Prius Chat website. The gas tank with its somewhat stiff rubber liner prevents a full fill. You gotta go by the fuel gauge, not how far you have driven. I have never run out of gas using the gas gauge as an indication of fuel level. But even after years of seeing these reports, I have heard of any unintended accelleration asociated with running out of gas before your article. In winter weather roads have places where there is no traction and then cars slide backwards down hill, or through cross roads in non-hybrid cars all the time. The only difference with the Prius is its traction control will act to protect the drive train by cutting power, rather than let the wheels spin up to 30 mph, while the car slides sideways or backwards. Being a Houston writer, you might be forgiven from having sufficient driving experience to not realise this. But as a Houstonite, how did you fail to mention that the Prius was one of the few cars that successfully made it to Dallas during the huricane evacutation, in the slow and go traffic. While the Hummers, and most standard cars had to get off the road early having run out of gas due to the poor idling fuel economy.

 

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