Based on interviews for this story, people who market debt-elimination services online are riddled with bad judgment. They have to be, because the only other possibility is that they are knowingly engaging in fraud, and some of these people are lawyers, so that just can't be.
Phil Manger, an attorney and "managing member" of the Credit Collections Defense Network, told the Houston Press he was completely snowed by former Houston contractor Bob Lindsey.
"He had us totally fooled, obviously, to the point where we even lent him money to create some marketing plans," Manger said, before going on to say that "I don't want you to get the impression that we don't check people out, but in this day and age, when you're running basically virtual offices all over the country and you don't see people eyeball to eyeball and you don't have a bricks-and-mortar business...it's difficult to know who you're dealing with."
Funny, we thought he was going to say that, in this day and age, it's actually so freaking easy to check someone's background. If you can't find out anything online, then you can maybe check with a third party, the way we did when we wanted to check out Manger's partner, Chicago attorney Robert Lock. Lock claims on the Network's Web site to be a member of something called the Mayor of Chicago's Council on Technology Advisors. So we called the people in Chicago with a list of past and present members, and they had no record of a Robert Lock serving on that council. See? Easy!
When we e-mailed Lock about this, along with other questions, he declined to answer on the basis that the questions weren't "intelligent." It's possible he just doesn't like the term "vapor money" to describe the theory that he has peddled on various Web sites. In fact, the Network's Web site indicates that the company focuses more on trying to catch debt collectors violating federal collections laws. However, certain form letters that the Network has provided clients appear to use kooky "vapor money" theory arguments to invalidate debts.
Lock told us in an e-mail that "I have never espoused anything that did not come directly from case law, codes, or the Federal Reserve...You might want to read what the Federal Reserve itself says, as these are the foundations for anything that I have ever stated as far as credit and monetary issues go."
Another of our unintelligent questions had to do with a debt-invalidation company called Financial Solutions Educational Institute. A supposed contractor for the Network, Financial Solutions' Web site lists no directors and provides only an Alaska P.O. box for Western Union payments. The company purports to be a ministry, but offers no direct way to connect with a live human being. Lock appears on this Web site in a video testimonial, saying he vouches for the company because he's looked closely into how they operate. Lock's testimonial is also part of a prerecorded "conference call" by an organization called Quest International.
So when we asked Lock for the second time about Financial Solutions, Lock e-mailed the following: "I do not know who the people you have referenced are, nor do I know what you are talking about."
When we pointed out that he actually appears on the Web site saying, "You know, I wouldn't be here with Financial Solutions if I didn't have confidence in theories and strategies...that they were pursuing," Lock told us, "I have had my materials and other information circulated on the Internet for years. If you can tell me a cost-effective way to police the entire Internet to stop this, I will jump all over it."
When we again expressed dismay, he explained: "I have sent communications to anyone who I could contact to remove any image or likeness or other reference to me from any sites that I did not sanction. Again, I ask you, how does one with limited resources follow up and enforce that?"
Perhaps Lock was just embarrassed to be endorsing a company whose operator was one of 13 people in three different states arrested by federal agents and indicted in 2008 for allegedly engaging in a "conspiracy to impair and impede the Internal Revenue Service and to commit wire fraud [and] conspiracy to commit money laundering...all as part of a nationwide tax defier movement which promoted the use of offshore trusts and foreign bank accounts as a way of evading federal income taxes."
Of course, accidentally endorsing a company that winds up being part of an alleged massive criminal conspiracy can happen to anyone. But the grief over that might be compounded by Capital One's lawsuit against Lock's company in South Carolina, which accuses Credit Collections Defense Network of teaming up with contractors who used forged Citibank documents that purported to absolve debtors of their obligations.
Plus there's the lawsuit awaiting class certification in Illinois, brought by a Pennsylvania couple who engaged the services of a supposed credit-repair company that lawyers say conspired with Lock's company to pretend to repair credit while actually keeping it in the crapper so Lock's company can then charge the clients to help them with the debt-collection calls.
Thank you for taking the time to expose this group. Perhaps after multiple complaints, Mr Lock's license will become part of a true and thorough investigation. I have dealt with CCDN, baited by Greg Britt & Richard Russ from R&G Marketing, out of Ocala Florida. After being part of their program going on 3 years now, I can say without a doubt the program is a scam. Mr Lock and Phil Manger dangle their law licenses out there for consumer confidence, only to be baited by their sales team that collect the money, then switched over to CCDN, claiming to be a legal support system. I have seen various changes over the years but the fact is that what sold us on this program was "legal support" and their alleged "network of attorneys", that of which there is none of. Although when I had contacted Mrs Lock for a referal in Michigan for Civil Court, she did promptly reply that when they received my $3,200 retainer, she would release the name of an attorney in Michigan. They did say that they did not handle cases at a state level. So the $3,200 must have been their finders fee? -or- a deterent to keep them in the game longer. Either way, still out $4,500 to them and thousands more to our creditors. Oh wouldn't it be nice if they were honestly trying to help the clients that signed on with Bob. All they care about is the alleged funds that he, how funny, stole from them. I'm doubtful that Bob took anything from them. If you do a little more research you will find it written somewhere, maybe the South Carolina lawsuit, that this is the SECOND time they have claimed to have had their money hijacked. One of their prior business connections CAF, Consumer Advocate Foundation, had allegedly done the same thing? Hmmm, does anyone seriously believe that with the money they are making that they would allow this to happen twice? As far as Tracey Webster goes, I'll assume that he is hiding from the law in Alabama. Giving legal advise, through a "network" of attorney's is only legal if you happen to be one. Just another snake out there in Alabama! Trust me, although I do not live in a consumer friendly State & will probably never find an attorney to go after these guys...I will do everything in my power through every office possible to see that they are disarmed and no longer dangerous! Thanks for reporting, this might help catch the eye of the Illinois Board of Attorneys.
This article couldn't have been written better. I purchased this "debt invalidation program" from TCCS and CCDN over a year and a half ago. My experience with the companies have been HORRIBLE. I contacted Mr. Lindsey from TCCS to purchase, and was of course made to believe that the system works and it wouldn't be long until I "was on a road to financial freedom". The exact opposite has occured. My situation could only have been better if I had NOT contacted them and allowed them to talk me into stopping the payments to the credit card companies. I came to know TCCS in the summer of 2008. I had acquired a large amount of debt on about 3 different credit cards. Most of this debt was simply small charges from careless spending. I was able to pay the credit card bills with the job I had at the time. After losing that job, it became extremely difficult to pay the bills, and they fell behind. While searching the internet for solutions to my issue, I came across the website of The Credit Card Solution with Robert Lindsey out of Houston, Texas. I was so excited to read their offerings and their claims. Many claims were made on their website, and the videos I had viewed which were created by Mr. Lindsey himself, were very calming and made me feel quite comfortable doing business with the company. Seriously, how could a scam artist make several YouTube videos of himself explaining the process of his company and post them across the entire internet? Mr Lindsey cam across as being very confident and sincere in his videos. I have always felt I had a good sense of character and Mr Lindsey definitely didn't give me any cause for concern. The claims which were made to me when I signed up for their service included many statements which sounded great! All this for a small fee of $4500.00! All sound great, right?! "Stop making payments!, Fix your credit score within 4-6 months!, Avoid bankruptcy!, Be debt free in 12-14 months!" were all promises which had been made to me. Not only was I lied to multiple times by TCCS when I signed up, I received lie after lie from CCDN themselves as well. Good luck to anyone in my situation. Plain and simple, CCDN doesn't do what they say, and they are a very unethical and dishonest company. I have tried multiple times using different methods to get my $4500 back. The only way I can see this happening now is through the court system, which is what I'm currently in the process of doing.
