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Jen 05/02/2011 3:15:00 PM
This past Saturday, April 30th, we had our 10-year high school reunion at Sawyer and had the upstairs clubhouse and part of the patio reserved that required a $500 food/drink minimum. The night started off well, but unfortunately, many of our guests were denied entrance after 8:00 p.m. due to a "dress code change" that occurred when the bouncers changed at the door and because we were told the UFC fight was being shown that night. Also, a cover charge was applied to some of our guests and not others (though a cover charge was never stipulated in our contract we signed).
We met our drink minimum early on and many people left Sawyer Park with hefty drink tabs. The people that were turned away at the door were in attire that was suitable for a sports bar atmosphere, and were wearing clothing that was identical to some of the other guests that were let in earlier in the evening. One of our guests in particular was an HPD officer, off duty, and was not even allowed in after showing his I.D. and credentials.
We sent our guests the link to Sawyer's website to obtain more information prior to attending the event, and nowhere on their website was the official dress code posted, nor is there a warning that cover may be charged at certain times of the night. We chose Sawyer Park because there was not a charge for our guests, and then some were forced to pay $10 a person to get in the door. This has led to several of our attendees that had to pay filing official complaints with the B.B.B. due to inconsistent business practices. Many got the feeling that the fact that the reunion was being hosted there and that they were prepared to spend good money to catch up with old friends was not an issue for the managers at the door because there were other customers they were going to let in right behind them. Basically lost business didn't matter to Sawyer Park.
When we presented the original email correspondence to one of the managers at the door (Hunter, who wouldn't give his last name only that Union Park in Austin, TX was their management company), we explained that there was no dress code information provided in regards to the guidelines for admittance. We were basically told "Sorry, nothing we can do about it, y'all should have been told".
Is this how Sawyer Park responds to paying customers? It was handled in a completely unprofessional way. We understand that businesses reserve the right to refuse service and can have dress code requirements, the problem is when the dress code is not posted or if it is inconsistent and seems to be solely based on the door guys discretion. A night that should have been a fun and memorable evening for a 10-year reunion was ruined, and Sawyer Park has officially lost the business of our class along with hundreds of our friends.
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Houston 04/11/2011 10:59:00 PM
Is discrimination like this legal? Why is our city so blind and ignorant to this disease corrupting our society?
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fred 04/08/2011 9:04:00 AM
Last night I went to Sawyer Park bouncer said I had baggy pants ( had dockers on). So i said what the hell i'm going to go change and told my friend to bring me some jeans that were not that baggy. When back and the bouncer just look at my friends and me and starred at me hard and said I couldn't go in now because I had tennis shoes ( some retro all white keds) and said I still could not go in. And I been going to sawyer park for one and half years now and this B as bouncer says this to me, I was rather pis offed.
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Houston 03/20/2011 7:31:00 PM
Similar ugly practices of discrimination based on race/color/gender still thriving at RED ROOM, with DAN GREEN as the door man.. BRAD STEARNESS may not be the GM anymore, but he might be spreading his ugly discriminating fangs elsewhere in the city, polluting the atmosphere with the abhorrent acts growing day by day at Red Room..
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RandomLurker 03/10/2011 10:33:00 PM
The verbage and the attitude behind it. For the most part.
I'm not saying racism never happens but I've been to some of these bars and every time I've seen blacks, asians and latinos having a ball.
Some white people get turned away too. They just don't blame their skin color. You get turned down, so what. Go some where else and try again another day.
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RandomLurker 03/10/2011 10:29:00 PM
So if you hate all these $30k millionaire, d-bag bars, why do you try to get in to them?
Also, with an attitude like "bustin his head to the white meat if she catches him on the streets" who would let you in any where, regardless of color?
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Houston 03/06/2011 3:29:00 AM
You are right. houston nightlife is a total turn-off.. In other cities you don't have to think and plan where and when to go out and you always have a good time.. in Houston, it is not the case.. it is pathetic and it is shameful.. worry about everything from parking, and if you park, then worry if you'll get in the club or not.. The City does nothing to curd this growing discrimination and the morons who run these establishments are actively engaging in abhorrent acts.. Shame on the city of houston and shame on the officials and cops who do nothing but pretend to be blindfolded..
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Lilbruh3 03/04/2011 8:39:00 PM
I'm glad that someone finally brought this to light, esp within a periodical whose readers make up a good portion of patrons of these establishments. Aside from my dislike of 'fist-pumping' music (esp Akon's popcorn ass) and a crowd where EVERYONE seems to know the owner or a bartender, power-tripping bouncers and $30,000/yr millionaire d-bag crowd (all of the above mostly on Washington), Houston nightlife has definitely turned me off completely.
NOX was the straw that broke the camel's back. After 3 different attempts to get in, the very last time I was with a group of about 7 ladies who had even reserved a table and bought bottles. I STILL couldn't get in. They went in moments before and told the bouncer I was coming right behind them. He holds me up and tells me to wait...a few minutes pass by, then 10 (mind you it was freezing). I'm steady texting one of my friends inside while people are blowing past me being let in, then finally they come to the door only to be told they weren't going to let me in...well, they all grabbed their shit and stormed out. Not to mention, the table and bottles ended up being FREE, for them at least.
A friend of mine knows a bartender there, who admitted that that same doorman is known to not let 'darker' shades in. You might know him. The skinny biatch that looks like a broke ass Jay Baruchel. One of my friends is set on bustin his head to the white meat if she catches him in the streets lol
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unholy666 02/24/2011 5:02:00 AM
this is stupid
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clientele 02/21/2011 12:22:00 AM
stats? LOL here's a little insight: if you give me a different level of service than other customers from the start like you wish i had never shown up there in the first place, then expect a bad tip and don't complain when you get it.
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Temperature 02/18/2011 4:24:00 PM
@ Garry Packwood:
2011: We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.
1965: We reserve the right to refuse service to coloreds.
What's changed?
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clientele 02/17/2011 9:57:00 PM
its not the clubs themselves but the people who the club "caters to" that dictate this.
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Houston 02/17/2011 5:39:00 AM
Right, but there is a clause that forbids these places to selectively apply that rule.. Also denying entry is not denying service..
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02/16/2011 9:25:00 PM
It is still legal for a privately owned business to post a sign that says ...We Reserve The Right To Refuse Service to Anyone, but why would they want to?
Unless they know something we don't know.
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Bjkain2000 02/16/2011 7:12:00 PM
Very true... Statistically speaking black people tip much worse.
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Houston 02/16/2011 3:01:00 AM
And regarding your ignorant comment that the bars in question don't advertise with Houston Press.. here is one link to correct you: Hudson Lounge: http://www.houstonpress.com/locations/hudson-lounge-2052560/
Red Room: http://www.houstonpress.com/locations/red-room-1761341/
Sanctuary Lounge: http://www.houstonpress.com/locations/sanctuary-lounge-2021700/
Lots of mentions about Ei8ht http://www.houstonpress.com/search/index?keywords=Ei8ht&x=0&y=0
So the point is, Houston Press and other people appreciate these places for bringing something new to Houston nightlife, but at the same time, they also bring out the ugly, dirty side of these places that are practicing discrimination in a rampant manner..
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Houston 02/16/2011 2:57:00 AM
Either you are affiliated with the said venues that practice discrimination or have never experienced it yourself.. Yes, bars have been doing this for decades.. But the problem is when a very large % of these bars start engaging in such acts.. Almost every other club on Washington Ave practices such discrimination, and also now the new bars/lounges in Upper Kirby area.. The number of such hideous places is becoming a norm rather than an exception and hence it is time that these places be taught some lessons..
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Peewee2820 02/15/2011 10:53:00 PM
Bars and Clubs have been doing this for decades and decades. Now in Feb. 2011 the Houston Press thinks this is news worthy? Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
I am guessing the bars mentioned negatively....don't advertise with the Houston Press. Basically what the Houston Press is doing is worse than what these bars are doing.
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Houston 02/15/2011 7:49:00 PM
Yes, you are right.. and it sad that your cop friend couldn't justify the racism and support you.. If that incident was recorded, I am sure you would have had an edge.. First of all: you were not trespassing, you just went to a club that is 'public' and welcomes people. So even though they reserve the right to refuse service, they cannot enforce this selectively on discriminatory factors.. Simple argument: ask them the question: "Why am I not allowed to enter?" They cannot give crap about reserving the right to refuse service.. Read some more articles on this, and even this post mentions this in the beginning,, Example: "If it is a place that generally welcomes the members of the public, then the owners of that establishment -- people who run that establishment -- can't decide that they're going to favor people of a certain race over another," http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7857243
Also.. I know most girls always carry a camera.. so invoke your investigating attitude.. :) take a video, record the conversation and sue these people..
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Feliopy 02/15/2011 7:11:00 PM
I have faced racism cloaked as "dress code" at the Urban Bar. I am a female and actually got into an altercation where the door man pushed me. He actually put his hands on me! The management used the N word. I was livid to say the least. I called a cop friend who pretty much told me I was trespassing because they asked me to leave. There is no recourse to racism... No immediate justice and it sucks!! If it were to happen today, I would protest. Egypt has taught us the will of the people still exists.
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Kyle 02/15/2011 6:09:00 PM
Actually, you are racist. You might want to look into what that word means.
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Kyle 02/15/2011 6:03:00 PM
Send to kylejack AT gmail DOT com, I'd like to see.
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Houston 02/15/2011 4:10:00 PM
Yes, that's one way to go about it.. But the problem with this approach is: we are silently promoting this kind of discrimination by boycotting these venues.. because lets face it: unless "everyone" boycotts these places, it won't have any impact at all, other than these kind of articles and negative publicity.. What is really needed is a collective effort to expose these places..
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vzag 02/15/2011 6:06:00 AM
I pretty much swore off Houston clubs after seeing blatant racism from the doormen at Bronx Bar a few years ago. I'd much rather hang out somewhere non-pretentious like Poison Girl or Grand Prize than being surrounded by ill-fitting blazers and True Religion jeans.
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Houston 02/14/2011 5:08:00 PM
Congratulations houstonpress.. This article is topping the search results when someone searches "Houston nightlife racism" or similar search criteria.. Awareness is spreading.. Good work !
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Houston 02/14/2011 5:07:00 PM
And how do you explain the many incidents where someone is denied on the basis of dress code, and soon after someone else walks in without being questioned about the dress code..
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Well now, 02/14/2011 4:40:00 PM
Dress code enforcement changes as the club fills up. Don't assume racism is to blame when someone inside is wearing the same clothing that's keeping you out. That person arrived earlier, when the owners were worried how much business they'd see that day. Those who insist on being fashionably late should dress in a way that compliments that behavior.
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Dicktionary 02/14/2011 4:01:00 PM
Reprobates.
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AnAubis 02/14/2011 1:48:00 AM
Not true. People read the reviews to get insight into the experience. Only white supremacist or their minions of other races would tolerate this type of racism. There are a lot of non-whites trying to out white the white man. So sick...........
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AnAubis 02/14/2011 1:42:00 AM
Call them out for what they are, keep your money in your pocket and tell everyone what you know about these repobates
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Yelp! Yelp! 02/13/2011 11:40:00 PM
Maybe you should call Kickass.
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Jesus, 02/13/2011 7:12:00 PM
It is so utterly disgusting that you describe this petty bullshit to revolution given the truly historic events since January 25th. Get a life.
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Houston 02/13/2011 6:02:00 PM
It's not about 92, or 93, or 94.. comments.. Each comment is spreading awareness.. And this is just one of the beginning steps.. Finally we are seeing more coverage on such issues in the Press and I am sure there are plans to achieve this on a larger scale, where more people get involved and the City gets to know about the ugly practices that are flourishing in the name of discriminatory upscale attitudes.. Yes, this thread may die soon, or it may ignite another fire so that people don't tolerate such acts and work together to bring the culprits to justice...
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Yelp! Yelp! 02/13/2011 5:55:00 PM
But you see it's not hundreds of thousands....it's 92 comments (soon to be 93 I am sure), on an article that while important and to the point will in a few days will be pushed under another article that the Press bring out about another person's hard luck story. In the end apathy becomes a security blanket.
The only way to stop these things is to not give them your cash. Cash pays for electricity and rent. Without those....no club. Don't consume their product. They close. You win.
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Houston 02/13/2011 5:22:00 PM
And if you think that the City can do nothing - you are mistaken.. When hundreds of people email to the Office of Mayor of Houston, it can't go unnoticed.. Proof is everywhere.. the voice of hundreds of thousands of people subjected to discrimination on any ground..
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Houston 02/13/2011 5:20:00 PM
Again, you are absolutely right.. no one gets elected on their views of nightclub equality.. and you know why? coz' there is lack of numbers.. And now, when finally people will stand up to this bullshit, collect evidence, and the Press will spread more and more awareness and also get involved in collecting evidence and exposing these places eventually to the extent of penalizing them,.. only then we can take a step forward in this realm as well..
I am sure no club owner wants to get sued by hundreds of patrons over discriminatory reasons.. And let me assure you, once the numbers get large, it is like a revolution set out to bring change.. and no jury can deny that, esp when some members of the jury have themselves experienced this ugly practice..
Sooner or later, these places have to pay ..
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Yelp! Yelp! 02/13/2011 5:05:00 PM
The day you get a handout from a nightclub because they didn't let you in will be the day we all go in spend it in the magical forest with giant fluffy bunny's just past the unicorn valley......I think what I am trying to say is that is probably a long way off.
Maybe you should set your sights a little lower as most of the city officials get elected on platforms of healthcare, unemployment & budget reform...I have yet to see someone get elected due to their views on nightclub equality.
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Houston 02/13/2011 8:09:00 AM
Wow.. really? I would challenge you to tell this to your boss, your HR manager, or your client, if you happen to work in a corporate environment ..
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Houston 02/13/2011 8:06:00 AM
Race is just one of the many factors under the super-set of discrimination.. it could include race, color, gender etc..
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Houston 02/13/2011 8:04:00 AM
These places like Red Room, Hudson Lounge, Diem / Nox, Roosevelt, Sanctuary, Vintage, Manor etc.. --- they don't have the word "ethics" in their dictionary..
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Houston 02/13/2011 8:02:00 AM
Drake started charging cover now, not in the beginning when it was opened and when it used to practice discrimination..
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Houston 02/13/2011 8:01:00 AM
The problem with these new and upcoming places in Houston nightlife is, these are run by stupid businessmen whose only motive is to gain money quick.. They don't care about their club's reputation..
And the irony is that, they compare themselves to other cities like NYC, Miami etc. where you could find really old clubs that have been there for a long time and gaines respect and became legends..
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:51:00 AM
You are totally right.. One example of a nightclub that started and practiced discrimination is the legendary "Drake" on Washington ave.. and look at it now.. swarmed with Asian people who pay this club cover charges..
The approach to penalize these places is straight forward and has very high chances to succeed: 1. different ethnicity people, 2. singles and in groups, 3. video/audio recorder. and voila... sooner or later you'll get the evidence..
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:48:00 AM
You are right my friend when you say people shouldn't patronize these places.. but the problem with that approach is: "that is not a solution to the problem of increasing discrimination in Houston. That kind of approach will only help these establishments succeed in their mission to establish and strengthen ugly discriminatory practices and it is high time that these places know that they cannot just do the business any way they want and that there could be penalties for such acts"
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:46:00 AM
Great.. so here is discrimination at its finest and self evident.. I think that 3 points mentioned in this article that are needed in front of a jury: they are easy to prove.. esp with the Press.. a few members of different ethnicity, a video camera and a voice recorder and we'll have the evidence..
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:43:00 AM
These clubs use discrimination via many different venues: 1. Dress Code, and if the dress code is fine, then 2. reservations only, we are over booked tonight and similar crap..
A tough judgment is needed so these places shut down for practicing such abhorrent acts, and their owners and managers should be heavily fined..
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:35:00 AM
You are right Imani.. for a long time, people never spoke up.. and I think it is high time, that we use the Internet to its full potential to create a revolution kind of sort to expose these businesses that practice such ugly practices in this age..
I just came with a hypothetical theory and don't know how applicable it could be:
Here it is: suppose someone damages City's property.. what happens? That person goes to jail.. So, my thinking is, these businesses are creating a negative image of Houston in the night-life sector and thereby damaging a virtual, intangible asset of the City.. Shouldn't these places be held accountable?
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:32:00 AM
Agreed to a point, and it just shows that it is not just about racism, but discrimination in general, based on many factors like race, color, gender, looks etc..
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Houston 02/13/2011 7:28:00 AM
You are awesome. seem to have a good heart and must be brought up in a good environment with positive values:) I wish Houston has more people like you rather than the swarm of discriminatory businessmen who run the nightlife in Houston..
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Salvador Escobar 02/13/2011 7:15:00 AM
While it's routine for many businesses to be as covertly discriminatory as possible, it just shows that prejudice is acceptable until it manifests overtly. Image is as important as the bottom line in any business and this holds especially true in the entertainment/hospitality niche. Arguably the best defense that Blacks, Hispanics, the GLBT community, and the nontrendy dresser have is the universal color: green. A hotspot is only such because of popular opinion. People should not only spread the word and hit the civil rights route, but they should also remember with their wallets as well. It's cliche that businesses have spin jobs/semantics on hand when they get outed because of their dirt but I must say that Amir Ansari's comments were the best comedy I've yet seen in this young 2011. Not only does he have a track record of discrimination claims, he tries to give tips as to how to call a plate of shit a sirloin steak by suggesting starting a minority scholarship after the fact, which give those claims a little more cred. It begs the question though: How would a spin job feel to him if he had been discriminated against on the heels of 9/11 or during the backlash that came when the mosque plans were announced at Ground Zero last year? Karma's more equal opportunity than any legislation.
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Houston 02/13/2011 3:41:00 AM
If you have such proof, then what are you waiting for? Submit it to the City of Houston and expose Mr Kliebert's dirty face.. I am sure the press would love to support you.. And this will come as a harsh warning to other places in Houston that engage in such behavior such as Red Room, Ei8ht, Roosevelt, Sanctuary, Manor etc.
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Houston 02/13/2011 3:39:00 AM
You are right. These bars don't care about the yelp reviews as their only motive is to make money by engaging in acts of discrimination. Wouldn't it be nice if some day, hopefully soon, these bars get trapped in their own dirty game and are ordered to compensate each and every patron against whom they committed hideous act of discrimination based on race, color, or gender. Yelp reviews don't matter, but when someone from outside the city visits Houston, they get a bad reputation for the city in general. Hence, these places are not only liable to compensate to the club goers, but also should be fined heavily by the City Of Houston for actively defaming the image of Houston on discriminatory grounds.
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Yelp! Yelp! 02/12/2011 11:18:00 PM
I find it funny that Ray Odom thinks that 30 bad reviews on Yelp.com ruins a bars reputation. These bars don't care about these review sites and neither do the people that frequent them. The only people who read them are other souls who have had a bad experience.
All the bar cares about is credit card receipts, that's where the good reviews are and that's where it matters at the end of the day.
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02/12/2011 6:54:00 PM
It's 2011 and we are still having issues with discrimination/racism? I guarantee you if them same people making up those "free-stylish" rules were to walk up to a "Black club" they wouldn't get turned away. Coincidentally, these discriminating clubs are in areas which were once predominately black neighborhoods and were built by newly freed slaves (gentrified). The best thing anyone could do whether you are Black,Hispanic,Gay etc. is to invest in your own club, set a recognizable standard for all and/or spend your money elsewhere because clearly these clubs have no humility for even being in business.
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Video Proof 02/12/2011 5:51:00 PM
Adam Kliebert is the owner of Hudson Lounge. On Sunday, at 11:23 p.m., the night of Super Bowl Sunday, Adam Kliebert walked to our front door, yanked on the doors, then screamed "nig*er" at our door man, then flipped off the door man. Everyone knows Kliebert is a racist. If you want the video, let me know and post your information here. I will be happy to send the video to anyone who wants it. We do not want this evil racist in our neighborhood.
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Matty 02/12/2011 4:30:00 PM
I pick my bars, first and foremost, based upon the music played. Next would be the drinks. Third the staff and crowd. If you don't want my money, I will do what we do in a free market, and take my business elsewhere. I've never been fascinated with VIP rooms or seeing stars. Nightclubbing should be about fun. I've been to parties at warehouses in downtown LA that were converted into sex-clubs with dancefloors for the night, dive bars and clubs in we-ho and mixed bars and clubs in all kinds of areas. For me it still goes back to the basics...music. Most of the places we went to didn't have dress codes, which makes for more fun...a melding of like minded people, some pretty, some ugly, some queens, some str8, but everyone there because they wanted to be. I've never been one for the S&M (Stand & Model) bars and clubs. Get over it and take your money elsewhere. Now, being semi-new to the area, if someone could help me find a place that plays groovy/deep house, it would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.
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3rd coast 02/12/2011 2:25:00 AM
***BREAKING NEWS: BOUGIE BROWN PEOPLE HEAD TO BOUGIE SPOTS, PROCEED TO ENDURE BOUGIE WHITE PEOPLE RAP COMMENTS***
Wow, if only they weren't just a darker flavor of superficial marketing/"event-planning" douchery and actually wanted to be around thoughtful, meaningful people...oh well, keep livin' it up Ray and Imani!
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Bert 02/12/2011 2:16:00 AM
I have to say if you are going to refer to it as "Montrose hipster hub Poison Girl" you'll have to say "Douchebag Midtown Bar and "Frat Boy ridden Village bar".I have never seen a bar in midtown or the village that has as diverse a crowd as Poison Girl. For shame
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Chrystal 02/11/2011 11:37:00 PM
This is unfortunate and really heart breaking. I wish that people of all races could come together and hang out in an alternative lounge without discrimination. Just because we happen to be of a certain race doesn't mean we stereotypically like the music/environments that are associated with our races.
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Tom Jenkins 02/11/2011 10:28:00 PM
jesus fucking christ, the people mentioned in this article are some serious fucking fame whores.
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Nick 02/11/2011 10:19:00 PM
Not racist but black people suck at tipping. Certain races attract different enviroments. Ever been to a all black or mexican club......yeah they suck. I love black women but I sure as hell can't go hangout without every black dude talking smack to me.
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Kyle 02/11/2011 9:52:00 PM
Tom Jenkins,
Whites use drugs at a slightly higher rate than black over their lifetime, but blacks are over 3 times as likely to go to jail for it.
Some more information: http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/
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Joe 02/11/2011 7:40:00 PM
Downtown nightclub Hush?.... Exactly how big is downtown?
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Ellodub 02/11/2011 7:14:00 PM
Tom what's your point? Since you're doing such extensive research, calulate the number of minorities incarcerated whose crimes were committed in a club or bar.
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Mr. Roger and Barney 02/11/2011 7:02:00 PM
Open your own bar and let in everyone!!! I'm going to be rich! i shouldn't have said this!! crap! please don't copy my idea!
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02/11/2011 6:02:00 PM
Our criminal justice system is horrible fucked up. If someone is white, then they have a less chance of being picked up and thrown in jail than if they were a minority. And it's not because they commit more crimes than whites, it's just that whites aren't automatically treated as criminals.
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Preston Houser 02/11/2011 5:32:00 PM
dress codes remind me of the old saying by groucho marx"i wouldn`t want to be a member of a club that would have someone like me as a member". if a place has a dress code i am simply not interested in being there.
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Rasmus 02/11/2011 5:15:00 PM
EVERYONE SHOULD JUST STAY IN AND SMOKE WEED
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Tom Jenkins 02/11/2011 4:29:00 PM
General population
U.S. incarceration rates by race, June 30, 2006:
Whites: 409 per 100,000
Latinos: 1,038 per 100,000
Blacks: 2,468 per 100,000
The racial composition of the US population as of 2008 was 79.79% White American (65.60% non-Hispanic and 14.19% Hispanic), 12.84% African American (12.22% non-Hispanic and 0.62% Hispanic), 4.45% Asian American (4.35% non-Hispanic and 0.10% Hispanic), 1.01% American Indian or Alaska Native (0.76% non-Hispanic and 0.25% Hispanic), 0.18% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander American (0.14% non-Hispanic and 0.04% Hispanic), and 1.69% Multiracial American (1.64% non-Hispanic and 0.05% Hispanic)
Prison population
Incarceration in the United States
The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 60.21% (African American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, 13.44% White American (non-Hispanic), and 6.06% Other
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Anse 02/11/2011 4:26:00 PM
You know what the difference is between me and these people? If you wanted to have a drink in my local watering hole, I'd never expect the management to turn you away because you don't fit in. In fact, if my favorite pub ever turned anybody away on looks alone, I'd stop going there. And if you don't feel like you're a part of my scene, that's not my problem, that's yours.
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Kyle 02/11/2011 2:31:00 PM
I dress pretty boring and I feel perfectly comfortable at Poison Girl. Almost everyone there has been perfectly pleasant. Also, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." -Eleanor Roosevelt
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Fionastjohn 02/11/2011 3:37:00 AM
So people who can't get in shouldn't be upset? They should just feel silly for whining because you don't like the clubs they're trying to get into? No unfairness here, it's all irrelevant, all because you think they're playing into a goofy scene?
You sound too cool to care, hence a giant wanker reactionary.
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Delvinlk 02/11/2011 3:32:00 AM
Big Easy would be a better example of a diverse bar that includes all classes and races. Poison Girl? Sheesh, talk about barriers shooting up...cool v uncool, hipster v sane etc...
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VanderStadt 02/11/2011 3:27:00 AM
=Right on! You'll never see stuff like this in the Chron's cynically and poorly-done rip off of Houston Press. They get it wrong if they think HP is basically a more popular and younger version of Zest. (Does Zest even exist still?).
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Nooner 02/10/2011 10:00:00 PM
Its true. African Americans hardly ever tip, and will order one drink for the whole night. Havent you ever wondered why predominately black bars charge a cover. They have to make money somewhere. None of the clubs on Washington charge a cover except "Drake" and "Pandora" Go look at the crowd people.
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Canadian 02/10/2011 9:53:00 PM
I agree. That particular demographic is stereotyped as being cheap. Obviously they werent any different than the stereotype.
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Kyle 02/10/2011 8:57:00 PM
"Well the last of the body glitter has been washed off and copious eye make-up removed, and I can confirm what the nation has been suspecting all along: Pauly D is America's worst DJ.
The Jersey Shore hit Houston Saturday night at Vintage Lounge, where Pauly stepped in to guest spin for a sold-out crowd at "Spring Break on the Shore."
The MTV reality star showed up about two hours late (rumors about his tardiness ranged from being detained at a strip joint to being occupied by a female fan on the back patio) and played a shockingly short set before leaving in the same tornado of security he arrived with.
Despite the wait and the sub-par spinning (and one conspicuous no-show), the novelty was not lost on the usually preppy crowd of booze-hounds decked out in their trashy best. It was difficult to discern who was being ironic and who was being serious, and we hesitated to ask who shopped for the occasion and who dressed from their own closet, lest we offend a Washington Avenue tourist."
http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-14-10-jersey-shores-pauly-d-is-americas-worst-dj/
Amir Ansari, you're bragging on your anti-Jersey Shore environment and yet you book actual Jersey Shore actors?
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Hjl626 02/10/2011 8:54:00 PM
Great article, but don't fprget Loggia in Sugarland. Here's my Yelp review of them I posted last year.
Loggia
Categories: Sports Bars, Lounges
12/26/2009
I figure sooner or later someone will write a review and tell it like it really is. The Management at Loggia do not like people of color in their establishment! You can call it what you what, standards, dress code, or club/bar policy, but that's what it simply boils down to. I wen there with two friends after a movie on Christmas night, upon arriving up to the pseudo velvet rope we were told to stand aside and wait. The bouncer then came back to us and said that we couldn't get in because they didn't allow "baggy jeans". Now that's fine with me if this were a night club and if we were actually wearing "baggy jeans", each of us are 6'3 or taller so we would look like clowns wearing "baggy jeans" plus who's wearing baggy jeans in 2010? So I'm asking the bouncer who's wearing ripped jeans his definition of "baggy"; his reply " hey I'm just doing my job man". So then he has the nerve to say " well if you go home and change into something nice then you could enter" ( would you like me to tap dance and serve tea also sir?)
Here's the the thing, your establishment is really not that important, you're better off just posting a sign outside stating No People of Color Allowed! At least there won't be any misunderstandings. The funny thing about it is one of the so-called well dressed patrons was being taken out in handcuffs. People stop supporting these places, stop making excuses for these places. If you want to be a club, then be a club you can't be both. People of color find a place that welcomes you and treats you like the rest of their customers. What these people are basically telling you is that without their direction you don't know how to dress or act in public. But if you feel that you need to be there and you can dance to their tune the enjoy, as for me I'd rather spend my Money where I'm welcome. Yeah, I'm just one person but I hope someone reads this review and does the same.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" MLK
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Kyle 02/10/2011 8:43:00 PM
Shock jocks do bad or unethical outrageous things for ratings. Alternative newsweeklies write investigative articles about hot button issues. I don't see the parallel at all.
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Geez 02/10/2011 8:41:00 PM
Is Imani Rose related to Amber Rose? They kind of look alike...
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Badmarlin 02/10/2011 8:32:00 PM
Another article written to stir the pot.... wouldnt expect much more from the shock jocks at HP!
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Craig 02/10/2011 7:59:00 PM
White as a Lilly little old me once showed up at Scott Gertners. The bouncers loved me. The patrons on the other hand nearly chased me out with their glares.
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Schund 02/10/2011 7:35:00 PM
I feel bad for this woman, obviously discriminated against, and in this day and age. However, I can assure her that there are hundreds of very nice places in the greater Houston area that would welcome her and her friends--places where they would have a wonderful time. In the end, I cannot reconcile three concepts: (1) Why would you want to go to one of the loud, trashy, over-priced places mentioned in this article in the first place? (2) Why would a legitimate business turn away well-dressed, courteous people? (3) Why on earth would a person of any race or either sex want to pay good money to a place that discriminates, when there are hundreds of excellent options available?
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02/10/2011 6:41:00 PM
It goes the same for people who don't fit a cookie cutter mold....I am not a perfect 10 and I get turned down at places....but if I go with my more fit friends then I get in? I am not mega fat or anything, I just don't have a six pack and this apparently is part of the dress code....so its more or less an image issue with these places then a race issue
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Kyle 02/10/2011 6:36:00 PM
Amir Ansari, get in this comments section and answer for your hypocrisy.
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02/10/2011 6:12:00 PM
the most important thing is for the discussion to occur . that we shed light on an issue that is virtually accepted as "just the way it is" . if we have evoked that sense of responsibility .... if people are speaking about it thinking about allowing themselves to SEE it then we are already making the City of Houston better
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Guest 02/10/2011 6:06:00 PM
Too bad we don't have Jon Stewart around to run the clip of Ansari saying he doesn't want anything like you'd see on Jersey Shore, followed by a clip of Paulie D at one of his clubs.
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TT 02/10/2011 4:55:00 PM
Vintage is a joke. They use the "private party"/"dress code" excuse to exclude minorities as much as any venue in Houston.
This guy Ansari is a clown. "I want my customers, my regulars, to feel comfortable"; "A bar is like a prison, and we have to keep our population in check"?!?! That makes a lot of sense.
"Nothing you would see on Jersey Shore"??? Isn't this the same bar that made such a huge deal of hosting Paulie D (of Jersey Shore for those of you fortunate enough to be ignorant) last year?
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totallyvintage 02/10/2011 3:37:00 PM
totally saw some discrimination at vintage--
i went to vintage once, on a whim for the first time, and a group of nicely-dressed black women got turned away for dress code. me and my friends (3 white girls, 3 white boys) all started to turn away and the bouncer (who was black) motioned over to us and said, "hey y'all have a reservation, right?" (we didn't, we had never been there and never met this guy) and we said.. uh, sure, and he just let us all in. weird, awkward, etc.
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Ezekiel 02/10/2011 2:01:00 PM
How the hell does "So, hide your wife, hide your kids and hide your husband, cuz' they rapin e'rybody round here." play into this conversation at all you dumb shit. Do you know "Nate Fields" , cause the way your talking i would swear you know him personally and your dear friends with him ... I don't know him either but why don't you go suck a cows tit MooMooGaipan.
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trose 02/10/2011 12:07:00 PM
Keep it classy, Nate.
It would appear the best part of you was left on the delivery room floor.
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joe.l 02/10/2011 9:43:00 AM
Why do these folks still want to associate with and patronize these establishments when the managers and owners have made it known that they don't wish to have "their kind" in the house?
I'm a black guy, and I think what the Hudson Lounge did to those black customers was stupid (who turns down decent, paying customers?). I have no desire to go there, and I still would not have a desire to go there had the incident not happened. Clubs and lounges with bouncers at the door aren't my thing. If you want to admit me or dismiss me based on my skin color or other trivial bullshit like the white girl to black guy group ratio, you're an ignorant MF. I know life is like that, but that still makes you an ignorant MF. Ignorant MFs like company of the same ilk, so it's safe to say that the establishment is probably filled with ignorant MFs. Hmm, I think that answers the question I posed in my opening.
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shouldknowbetter 02/10/2011 5:52:00 AM
Why do people stand for this discriminatory behavior? I am Asian and this happens to us too. The stupid thing this that as soon as the club start going downhill and they let non whites in, all the Asians rush to give them their money. STUPID STUPID STUPID. If I were still going out, I would sue everyone of these clubs for discrimination. It would be so easy. Have two groups (one white and one non white) dress similarly and have them try to get in these establishments. Document with a small video camera and voila, instant lawsuit. For those too young to remember, there was a class action lawsuit for exactly this behaviour and Riches and few other clubs had to pay damages. People that accept discrimination deserve some of the blame.
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MooMooGaiPan 02/10/2011 4:22:00 AM
"We do not need to be offered illegal drugs three or four times a night when we just want to dance and drink alcohol."
First, I would not call what you do dancing, more like having a seizure in the middle of a drinking establishment.
Second, after drinking said alcohol, people like you tend to get on the freeway and drive the 25 miles back to their parents' house in the suburbs.
Third, it's people like you that can't handle diversity that start the fights and consume the drugs from the "black and hispanic" people.
So, hide your wife, hide your kids and hide your husband, cuz' they rapin e'rybody round here.
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Anse 02/10/2011 12:55:00 AM
The funny thing about all this talk of business is that these superslick uber-yuppie "exclusive" clubs are the ones opening up and shutting down every few years as trends come and go. Meanwhile, the working class joints that turn nobody away except minors and people without money are the ones that stay open for years and years. Granted, not everybody would feel welcome in some of these places, but on the other hand, if you feel like you don't fit in to a place like Poison Girl or Numbers--not "working class" joints exactly, I'll admit, but neither has a dress code--that's probably more your problem than theirs.
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Anse 02/10/2011 12:14:00 AM
Brain-impaired, huh? Standing in line to be approved by a steroid-bloated cretin for the honor of shelling out eight bucks for an appletini so you can rub elbows with these people sounds supremely intelligent. But bigots suck slightly more than douchebags, I'll give you that much.
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Mellaman 02/10/2011 12:09:00 AM
Anse,
You'd be in good company with the ever-growing Texas demo: brain-impaired, yet verbally gaseous.
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Burgermeist 02/09/2011 11:57:00 PM
Very hot French/Italian, I might add, with Berlesconi-like intent!
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Anse 02/09/2011 11:46:00 PM
People who can't get into a douchebag bar and are upset by that are even bigger douchebags. And there are douchebags in every demographic. This story gave me gas. It makes me want to go to the Tall Texan and drink a beer with real people who have real problems.
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02/09/2011 11:38:00 PM
This is why I grew up and no longer go to clubs. Any clubs.