However, the prosecution of 13 people in the Motion Research case has done absolutely nothing to curb the online sale of analogs. It hasn't even curbed the exchange of Motion Research's inventory, which some former customers are shilling online. In a February post on LegalHighGuides.com, a user was looking to unload approximately 440 mg of a drug called DALT that he claims he purchased from Motion Research. Last September, on another site, someone calling himself Eric the Man was also looking to sell his cache of Motion Research product, which he kept "refrigerated to make sure it didn't degrade."
Such shady deals are precisely why some consumers of analog drugs want them legalized and regulated. At least that's how the founder of chemsrus.com feels.
Calling himself Midas WS, the founder intends his online forum to be a "harm-reduction Web site." And unlike the moderators of some other sites, Midas was eager to answer the Press's questions about the Motion Research case and research chemicals in general.
"Unsound laws promote unsound people to run unscrupulous businesses," he writes. "Most of the new designer drugs are provided with very little information about dosage, route of administration, effects, etc., and this is where accidents and overdoses can and do happen. These legal substances are sold labeled as 'not for human consumption,' so no information can be given regarding any of this at the point of sale."
Moreover, "Very little is done to actually keep people safe. Instead, measures are made to keep people on the right side of the law, with little regard for their health."
In conclusion, he writes, "We are living in an age where information can be easily accessible, but if no information is tolerated and there are skewed laws in place that allow for no control other than putting a silly 'not for human consumption' label on products, tragedies such as the one in the 'Motion Research' case will continue to happen."
With the proliferation of online vendors, some of whom have live-chat capabilities on their sites to make buying analogs even easier, it seems Midas has a point.
In an online chat with a representative of one vendor, we wrote, "I'm interested in 25i. But I'm also a little nervous, since I'm in Texas and I was just reading about a bunch of people being busted for buying stuff from people who bought stuff off another Web site. Like, these people were so far removed from the original purchase, but they still got in trouble. So I guess I'm a little wary. Does that make sense?"
Our helpful customer service rep assured us, "You don't have to worry for anything."
The product, he wrote, would be coming from their distribution center in Richmond, Virginia, but our Western Union payment would go to their "branch in Turkey." The minimum purchase order would be 25 grams for $350.
Later we called the company on the phone and got the same rep. We again expressed our concern over the Motion Research bust, but again he assured us, "We do ship every day to Texas...to Houston, to Austin, to Dallas," and that it was "no problem." (We didn't order the stuff.)
Conceivably, Polinski and Carlton — but not the company's co-founder — could be imprisoned for the rest of their lives. But the product they sold, it seems, isn't going away.
Budge didn't know what the powder was; it was something that had caught his eye after he broke into his weed dealer's apartment and found a box containing a few sweetener-sized packets of the stuff.
Natural Selection, the stupid die. Read erowid, buy a milligram scale, and you won't become a statistic.
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I feel bad for the people that died and especially there family's. But if these stupid idiots did some research first they would still be here. Is this the land of the free, I really dont think it is anymore. We live in a police state, with a corrupt government that whats nothing more to control every aspect of our lives. Fuck the police, fuck the government. I cant wait for the anarchist revolution to start. We need to take these scumbags out of office. They are ruining our country.
The real thing that should concern all is this: "[under the] Federal Analog Act [which] became law in 1986, dealers of analog drugs — substances that bear chemical makeups substantially similar to those of old favorites like meth, cocaine and LSD — have sidestepped prosecution by selling drugs whose molecular construction has been tweaked enough to create something technically new..." this is INACCURATE because the law references EFFECTS of drugs rather that their chemical composition. What the analog act does is criminalize chemically altered states of consciousness. ANY chemical that makes you feel euphoric is defacto an analog and therefor illegal. It outlaws the psychedelic experience.
@anothercountyheard1 Go worship god faggot. what the fuck are you so worried about what people do behind closed doors. worry about your god damn self
@anothercountyheard1
Actually, your both wrong.
It pretty much means the following;
1. 'substantially similar chemical structure'
and either
2. have effects similar to substance in Schedule I or II
or
3. someone represents it as having the effect of a controlled substance
This
means that a substance could make you "high" or "trip" or cause
"euphoria" and be completely legal as long as it's chemical structure
isn't substantially similar to a controlled substance. It also means
that it can have a substantially similar chemical structure to a
controlled substance and not cause substantially similar effects and it
would, again, be completely legal. It MUST FIRST BE substantially
similar in chemical structure, then you go 2 and/or 3 from there.
If the substance is not sold for consumption then it exempt from all of the above.
The one thing the law isn't clear about is what substantially similar really means, nobody really knows and they give no definition. Ask a chemist and then a lawyer and then a DEA agent, you will receive three different answers.
The full law;
Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
"(32)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `controlled substance analogue' means a substance ---
"(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
"(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
Sooooo the dudes BROKE INTO SOMEONES HOUSE and stole this mystery powder that they had NO IDEA what it was....DUMPED AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT in come chocolate and then ate it and were surprised they OD'd??? Then some dude throws out a massive line of the stuff thinking its coke or something?? Sounds like negligence of not the distributors of the chemical but the CRIMINALS who commited a robbery to obtain it instead of doing the research on it before throwing it down their throats. This is a tragedy no doubt BUT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THOSE GUYS WERE SMART.
Everyone is born dying. Some will rush that end no matter what others attempt to educate them. Users buy illegal drugs that are produced by underground system. Dealers very often feed their own addiction by reselling "cut" drugs. Anything can be mixed into your weed,coke, heroin or whatever. The sicker it makes you, the better the dealer. Self suicidals (aka dopers) shot horse tranquilizers, inhale freon, hotshot compressed air, choke themselves while masturbating. Inhale glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel.Cocaine, heroin, meth khat, ghb, Ecstasy . List never ends. Outlaw a drug & dealers change salt base to get around law. Every time some condemned- to- OD user dies, other users scream "this is why they should legalize all drugs". The mommys push to punish dealers like their Sweety children didn't choose to pollute their body with everything in hands reach. Not counting the damage that legal drugs already cause. Alcohol & prescription drugs are their own cluster f nuke strike. Want to help modern world? Dealers get instant bullet in head after conviction (like Chinese). Users get three strikes & then same bullet. Why continue wasting resources on those that would eat dog excrement if they thought it would make them dizzy? Wasted worthless births.
It would be much cheaper and cleaner to legalize them all and let Darwin sort them out. You wouldn't even need to buy bullets.
Mr. Malisow,
Kudos for writing an article that is relatively free of the fictional media hype that is common in many "bath salt" articles. It seems apparent that you have done some serious delving into the internet sub-culture that has grown around the online distribution of psycho actives substances.
It might be obvious that many people who are interested in this investigation are in fact connected to the "research chemical" scene in some way. I have frequented these sites for over a decade and in my opinion, they are both frightening and intriguing places.
On one hand, this is the bleeding edge of illicit drug use. Whatever disclaimers people may use or code they may speak in, I will call it as it is. On these sites, one can certainly see an evolving side of the recreational drug user. In general, those who use these sites are somewhat more educated and aware of the implications of their actions. Many posses a rudimentary knowledge of pharmacology and chemistry that is far beyond that of the average "junky".
On the other hand, the rate at which new compounds are being marketed and pushed on human guinea pigs is terrifying. The level of knowledge maybe greater in this sub-culture, but ignorance and misinformation are rampant. I have a MS. in biochemistry; I am by no means an expert in any fields related to the the chemicals being offered on these sites, but I do know enough that I cringe a bit when I see some of the things that people are selling.
I apologize for the long winded post. Articles like yours, albeit usually more sensationalized, are becoming more and more common as the use of grey area chemicals grows larger. Injury and death are inevitable consequences of the unstudied pharmacological profiles of these chemicals, as well as they non-existent standards of quality.
I hope your readers will consider that ineffective drug legislation is exactly what has created this situation. Legal loopholes and draconian prosecution of even "soft" drugs are the greatest factors that make grey area chemicals an attractive prospect to drug users.
Thank you again for the article. I will certainly be following this case and it will be interesting to see what sort of action is taken on a state and perhaps even national level.
4-HO-DMT is Psilocin. (This is what the article referred to)
4-PO-DMT is Psilocybin.
Look it up...
Wtf. His parents only waited 3 days until they decided to "pull the plug". What shitty parents.
@craig.malisow
Quote from the story;
"The story you are reading will no doubt be parsed to shreds on these forums faster than you can say "4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethytriptamine."
FYI, you spelled tryptamine wrong. I know, I know, spell check has problems with many of these long chemical names but given the context of your typographical error, it makes for a sweet tasty load of ironic justice. I almost hurt myself laughing so hard. If your going to try to make a point like that, you might want to thoroughly check your spelling.
I love that you used a naturally occurring tryptamine as an example when making a point involving synthetic chemicals. 4-hydroxy-N,N- dimethyltryptamine turns out to be Psilocin , the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, far from synthetic or designer, far from new, far from dangerous and very illegal I might add. More irony, just saying...
@ThoughtController "If your going go try to make a point like that..."
You mean "you're." If you're going to try to make a point like that, you might want to thoroughly check your spelling.
See how annoying and entirely beside the point that is? But thank you for elevating this discourse and bringing something of value and relevance to the table. My hat's off to you.
@craig.malisow
Well... touche, to a minor degree. I happened upon one of the top ten most common misspelled words. Like you're misspelling, spell check was completely impotent to assist me.
On the other hand, my typographical error, unlike yours, had nothing to do with the context of the of the point I was trying to make. I think you are overlooking the gravity of the statement surrounding your error. You just gave the people that will be trashing your statements ammunition to do so. Did that escape you?
Also, I'm not the least bit annoyed by your correction. I don't write for a living and I appreciate criticism when it is beneficial to the task at hand.
@ThoughtController @craig.malisow Not to keep beating this dead horse, but I don't think there's any "gravity" in that typo. Look, ThoughtController (as an aside, let me point out how much I love bickering with a person who hides behind a screen name) the story before you is a 4,000-plus word look into a particular federal investigation. I'm sorry if one misspelled word destroys the credibility of the entire piece. The fact that I have not lived up to your rigorous journalistic standards will give me night terrors, I assure you. Again, my hat's off, dude.
Not that it really makes a lot of difference to me, but the fact that you have chosen to home in on the misspelling of a chemical composition in a joke about the likelihood of an online community to nitpick over a bit of esoterica actually supports the forest-for-the-trees point I was trying to (lightheartedly) make.
Don't be offended if I don't reply to whatever witty retort you'll post next. It's just that I can only spend so much time through the looking glass, y'dig?
After reading the replies I have realized this isnt an open and shut case.
I feel sorry for the guys looking at life and I feel terrible for the families of the dead kids. Its just a terrible case all around. I think we can all agree on that.
I have kids so it hits close to home. I really wasn't trying to be so judgemental.
PPl like this should be taken off the street. The "rat" probably saved the lives of countless kids that had no idea what they had purchased. He probably saved the life of one of your friends kids if not yours. Stitchgiver get a clue.
Oh and I love how this article is judge and jury. What is up with that.
@kingsford While I agree that the rat probably slowed things down, a long term solution needs to be considered if we really want to get a grip on our children, before someone in another state starts whispering in their ear.
@craig.malisow, you need to consider how much you threaten our children with this article as well. I appreciate your overall message, but providing people with links is like signing their death sentence.
If Carlton and Polinski can be held guilty for someone's crime going bad, then you should be held guilty for every single naive child you just navigated. Especially when young children think they are invincible. "It won't happen to me."
@Jimb09
You have a point. For all you law breakers out there, not only did Craig point out what chemical makes you trip, he pretty much gave out a source for it and clued us in on availability and prices. Have at it kids. It's pretty cheap too. Considering how potent it is (dose is .5mg) $350 for 25g goes a long way!!! (That equates to 12,500 doses for $350. No need to pull out the calculator)
Not all kids know where to get deadly chemicals on the internet. Many of them just need a little direction. The position the other poster and I were taking is that they shouldn't be assisted at all.
@ThoughtController You got me, dude. Prior to the publication of this article, no kids anywhere knew how to get drugs.
Also, I really doubt this company sold to kids. It seems like these "kids" that died didn't even know what they had, much less how to legitimately obtain it.
Remember, not only are these chemicals not controlled or scheduled, they are still readily available in the USA. The author of this article even pointed that out.
@kingsford
Either you didn't completely read the article or you have trouble with reading comprehension. It appears this company sold pure chemicals with MSDSs (material safety data sheets). Their customers knew exactly what they were getting. Now, if someone breaks into one of their customers homes and steals something, not only is the perpetrator lucky they weren't killed on the spot for burglary, they chose to use their ill gotten gains in a manor that caused their deaths.
If someone breaks into your house and steals a gun and kills a couple people with it, is the gun store you bought the gun from liable? Before you say that's a stupid argument, think about how ethical the gun industry is. Everyone involved in gun sales and manufacture and distribution undoubtedly KNOWS that some of their products WILL be misused. They still sell these extremely dangerously products on every corner though. They are used for killing people right?
Secondly, The "rat" in question obviously cooperated to save his own skin, he didn't care about the questionable ethics of this business or he wouldn't have co-founded it in the first place.
Use your brains people and don't jump on the sensationalism bandwagon.
@kingsford you've got to be joking. The only crime here was committed by the dealer, especially for not having his chemicals secured properly in a lab setting. The vendor in question did NOTHING wrong.
Wait, so Polinski is claiming to be the innocent IT guy? Who had a full-time salaried position at a company with two other people on staff? That's his story?
My name is Ruth Rivas and my son, Adam, passed away last year in June because he had been smoking spice. I have now made it my life mission to educate others about the dangers of spice. I have created a website, www.spiceisnotnice.org I highly recommend you view it and please share with others. I have made presentations to the Mother/Daughter conference at my school district, parent and students meetings, drug rehab centers, a naval base in Florida, Fort Bliss in El Paso (3 X's) and will be travelling to Fort Hood on the 28th to present to them as well. Please share my message.
Thank you.
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