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jon guildford 07/19/2011 8:06:00 PM
Regeneration is always a hot topic with the one side wanting to keep the status qua and the other wanting to modernise. i think the best course is a bit of both
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07/15/2011 9:23:00 PM
There are a school of people who believe that neighbors should NOT have the "full use and enjoyment of their properties" if that means modifying the character of the neighborhoods.
That is why some neighborhoods are strictly regulated, and some are not.
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tired dog 07/03/2011 1:41:00 PM
Well, Searcy wins and his neighbors lose the full use and enjoyment of their properties. If this busybody wants to preserve the 'hood, let him buy every property and preserve to his heart's content....damned collectivist.
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Hannand Melaibe 07/02/2011 7:39:00 AM
It seems like a lot of the people who are influential in the neighborhood moved in during the 2000s.
They may want to be thorough, covering avenues that deed restrictions don't.
Also, how would these restrictions "force" people out of their homes?
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07/02/2011 7:36:00 AM
So, how would this "force them out"?
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Guest 06/29/2011 4:22:00 AM
Reuben Maverick Welsh is an extremely divisive loser who's simply a pawn of the mayor and Sue Lovell, the masterminds of this historic neighborhood policy. We ran him out of the Norhill Heights for this same reason. Searcy should be ashamed of himself being a part of this ugly underhanded attempt to force their wills on others. You should be ashamed too Mr Smith!
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06/28/2011 7:08:00 PM
I don't understand who you are mad at. If it's all the mayor and her cronies' doing and the petition never mattered, then why are you sniping at your neighbor?
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06/27/2011 6:28:00 PM
After my husband became paralyzed we started looking at homes in that neighborhood. Why? Because they were all 50s ranch style which usually meant one-story, spacious rooms, no pier and beam construction (which means steps up to the house). There were some drop-dead gorgeous homes for sale at that time (2006), a lot with large back yards and pools. But we weren't too keen on some of the neighboring elements. We ended up in Idylwood and we love it there. But my fondness has always been for the ranch style home.
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06/27/2011 4:24:00 PM
Robert Searcy is my realtor and I also consider him a friend. I am a member of the Board of Houston Mod, a non-profit membership driven organization dedicated to promoting knowledge and appreciation of modern architecture and design in Houston and Texas. Robert served on the Board several years ago, and Maverick Welsh is currently on the Board. The opinions I write are my own, and certainly not meant to represent Houston Mod.
I am disappointed with the backlash that the effort to preserve Glenbrook Valley has received. Robert Searcy is not out for a quick buck in real estate and he is not racist. He simply cares passionately about the houses of Glenbrook Valley. I was informed at Houston Mod Board meetings when the efforts to get signatures started, and they never seemed the least bit racist to me. Ambitious, yes. They needed a lot of signatures. But they wanted to get the signatures legally and co-operatively. They wanted Glenbrook Valley to be seen as a neighborhood on the historic level of The Heights. Now is the best time to make that effort, before the historic buildings are torn down. Seems like a lot of historic buildings in Houston are only seen as important or historic AFTER they are gone.
All across Houston (well, especially on the southwest side where I live) in the last 10 - 20 years Houston has seen the destruction of possibly hundreds of beautiful mid-century houses. Many of these houses were designed by respected Houston based architects, sometimes for well known Houstonians. In their place are larger houses that often take up most of the lot. These houses are usually made of cheaper, imported materials, and they probably won't last the 50+ years that the houses they replaced did. Realtors and builders convince the public that they need and want these types of houses (houses which preservationists have sarcastically nicknamed McMansions because they are like fast food houses). I guess that's progress. But it is sad when Houston loses its history. Houston grew a lot in the 50s and 60s, and the mid-century aesthetic is something of which I am proud. I believe all Houstonians should be proud of this era, and I put my money where my mouth is by buying and restoring a 1955 house. In the US, only Los Angeles, Palm Springs, New Canaan, CT, and possibly Chicago and Miami can claim more beautiful and important mid-century homes. That's saying something. Aside from Palm Springs, many of the areas I mentioned are also dealing with the "McMansionization" of their mid-century areas. This is not only happening in Houston.
One only need to look at the houses that have been saved, restored, and celebrated to realize how beautiful, worthwhile, and amazing these houses are. The Greater Houston Preservation Alliance has given multiple "GOOD BRICK AWARDS" to mid-century properties over the years. Hopefully more people will continue to do so.
Taking notice of Glenbrook Valley's importance is a step toward Houston standing up and taking pride. (and learning from the architects of the 1950s - maybe architects and builders will build more new houses that look to the future instead of to 1800s Spain for their influence). If Glenbrook Valley and other mid-century neighborhoods are not to be considered for historic preservation, then I believe we are almost out of areas to consider historic. Most of Houston has already been scraped and judging by the quality of the new homes, will be scraped again soon.
If the group had taken a less ambitious route and just tried to protect the most important of the mid-century modern houses, I wonder if some people would have then cried "racist" because they weren't including the "average 50s ranch house" where the less affluent people of the area live. In retrospect, maybe they should have taken the less ambitious road, as we probably wouldn't be having this conversation if they had just gotten a smaller section qualified.
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Leonardo 06/27/2011 7:32:00 AM
sounds like people have been living there a while and it's still a "time capsule"...i'm lost. did they know they were buying into this or did this just come up all of a sudden? they have deed restrictions that has detered builders. why then?? by the remarks some people have made on here i think i get the point. pushing people out of thier homes isn't too hard to do when you start imposing expensive regulations on them.
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Heights1893 06/27/2011 1:38:00 AM
Norhill's street improvements have NOTHING to do with historic preservation and neither do the other improvements. Norhill has strong deed restrictions and a strong homeowner's association. The HD designation had no teeth and wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
Your posts on this thread are embarrasingly obvious and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Speedee 06/26/2011 11:43:00 PM
How in the heck does a 1950's neighborhood qualify as "historic"??? The whole "historic district" thing is just an attempt to force out the Hispanics and others that are unwelcome by the self appointed ruling elite of Glenbrook Valley.
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Hannand Melaibe 06/26/2011 4:54:00 PM
You will find the "group" vs. "individual" conflicts all across life, Leonardo. There are situations where people want to live in a neighborhood of a certain style and want to prevent individual tastes from changing the character of the neighborhood.
If you do not like the idea, the best solution is to move to a neighborhood without that mentality.
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Alice 06/26/2011 3:58:00 PM
You know...in all the comments that I've read on both sides of this, almost all of them are concerned about protecting other people. What that tells me is that there are good people on both sides of this thing, trying to do what they think is best. Yeah, there may be a few bad apples that got out of hand, but that's not the majority.
When we went through this, there were people on both sides. But, we all got together and seriously talked through the differences. So, we didn't get this extreme polarization which leads to accusations and ugliness. Because everyone was talking to each other, face to face, on a pretty continuous basis. It wouldn't have been right to move forward without the majority being on board, so we held off until we'd solved all of our issues.
But, maybe this is just running parallel with the country. That was back in the 80s, and the political mood of the country wasn't as polarized either.
I hope that I'm right about your neighborhood. I hope that there are those good people who can reach out to each other. Best of luck, anyway.
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Monte 06/26/2011 9:39:00 AM
No wonder the Alblaza's are suffering, these guys are the CERTIFIABLE INSANE ones!! lol Seriously, find another hobby! Leave these people alone. Good fences make good neighbors! We are with Albaza's .... keep up the good fight amigos! Don't let the crazies get you down!!
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Leonardo 06/26/2011 9:34:00 AM
wow, what shitty neighbors these people are? sounds like one group is just trying to push thier views while others are just trying to be left alone. get a life people, there's more than trying to make others miserable. maybe if the group that is trying to make it historic made THEIR house historic and left those who don't want it out??!?! or is that too simple?!?!? isn't it in the constitution that our properties are to be protected from these crazies? who would want to live in the a house during the shitiest archtectual period anyway?!?!? pink bathrooms, wood paneling...no thanks!!! i know it's my opinion but geezz, no one wants to live in the 50's!! serioulsy people, get a life!!
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Janny Bourgouiba 06/26/2011 2:43:00 AM
So the solution is to have the entire ordinance translated, BUT add...
"This version is included to assist people who are unfamiliar with English. As accurate as the translation may be, the original text in English is authoritative. In case of a conflict between the English and Spanish version, the version in English prevails"
That's what should have happened
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Janny Bourgouiba 06/26/2011 2:40:00 AM
MRM: It's really, really easy to solve. You can have an "official" translation but include the disclaimer:
"This version is included to assist people who are unfamiliar with English. As accurate as the translation may be, the original text in English is authoritative. In case of a conflict between the English and Spanish version, the version in English prevails"
It's easy
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Janny Bourgouiba 06/26/2011 2:40:00 AM
MRM: It's really, really easy to solve. You can have an "official" translation but include the disclaimer:
"This version is included to assist people who are unfamiliar with English. As accurate as the translation may be, the original text in English is authoritative. In case of a conflict between the English and Spanish version, the version in English prevails"
It's easy
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Janny Bourgouiba 06/26/2011 2:38:00 AM
Good practice is to have the ordinance translated, and to include a disclaimer "This translation was provided to assist people not familiar with English. As accurate as the translation may be, the original text in English is authoritative. If there is a conflict between the English and Spanish versions, the English version prevails"
It's really easy, folks!
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Guest 06/25/2011 9:16:00 PM
Rueben Maverick Welsh is a well know trouble maker. It's no surprise that he's stirring up more crap in his new neighborhood.
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MRM 06/25/2011 6:09:00 PM
Yeah, it reads, only like a nightmare, but Glenbrook Valley isn't a nod and smile neighborhood. We'll get over it, only to get into again. But its these unbridled and open discussions and the full contact democracy thats keeps the neighborhood vital.
I'll get over being super-pissed at the Ablaza's especially if they bring the same passion and intensity to getting the public infrastructure replaced, and the vacant lot at the end the street turned into a neighborhood park.
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Alice 06/25/2011 2:40:00 PM
Wow! The newspaper report was right about it being a war zone. I've been reading this because someone tweeted about midcentury architecture. I'd hoped to learn more about historic designation for midcentury homes, but everyone is more interested in fighting than really having any real discussion.
And, as I'm looking at all these comments...sniping, sarcastic, innuendo and downright cruel...I'm even more thankful that I live in Phoenix. I'd rather deal with wild fires than with "neighbors" who attack each other like this. My neighborhood is a historic district and it's nothing like this.
Win, lose or draw, Glenbrook Valley has much bigger problems than historic designation. I can't imagine why anyone would want to move there after reading these comments.
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MRM 06/25/2011 12:13:00 AM
You certainly didn't do anything to stop it. But I am, right now.
I'm sorry someone chased a neighbor down the street.
And I'm very sad for the neighborhood.
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MRM 06/24/2011 10:54:00 PM
This seems to be about trust.
I trust City officials. I've lived in Houston my entire adult life. The City has alway been relatively well run especially compared to those in the Northeast corridor. I had to get a permit recently for some plumbing work. I obtained the permit without any hassle even though the property was flagged as being in a historic district.
I trust the City's process with respect to the historic district process. I firmly believe that the process excluded questionable petitions.
I trust my neighbors. When they sign a piece of paper and tell me they understand it, I don't need to have it witnessed and notarized.
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Betty 06/24/2011 10:29:00 PM
Wow, this just never stops. Once again, resorting to lies instead of the facts of what really happened...and who knows if some of what you are saying is the truth about your neighbors. But if it is, you should take pity and not spreading peoples private lives like a true fear monger that you are.
Instead of chasing Mrs Delores down the street and calling her a "crazy women" and that "they would be dammed if she was going to take this away from them" maybe you should lend a helping hand to her so called leaky roof. Aren't those the kind of neighbors you want?? I happen to know Zoe, she was there the day Mrs Delores came back to camp shaken up by what had just happened to her. Zoe also happens to be in college credit level courses at age 14. You couldn't hold a candle to her. And it wasn't her eloquent-ness, it was the truth. And sometimes the truth and facts are something people don't want to face. But MRM I pray that you find your light and you find comfort in your own joys and not the misery of others. Again, you have nothing to fear, your designation will go through...the word is out. The mayor wants this and she is on your side and so is the majority on council who believe our dist council mem who would sell his mother down the road.
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MRM 06/24/2011 10:07:00 PM
No, its not all I have. Lets talk about Delores. The woman is concerned about the threats of $500.00 a day fines detailed in the Ablaza's flyers, cut, pasted and printed right off the Heights Realtors website. She talks to the Ablaza's and agrees to collect retractions. She calls homeowners seeking retractions and details how the City will fine them $500.00 a day if they re-roof there home. She believes that in her heart of hearts despite the very clear language in the ordinance that it excludes roof repair and is adamant about it. But better yet, the Ablaza's bring their daughter to City Council and she speaks eloquently on how pro-ordinance forces have "stolen [Delores's] voice when someone ran her off their property. Councilmembers Jones and Bradford are taken in by the eloquence. Heaven help all of them if Delores has a leaky roof. They need to get that fixed.
Mr. Secundino Vasquez has lived in Glenbrook Valley for 14+ years, he's bought and sold real estate in Harris County, all public records and all in English, gotten a divorce, all public record, all in English. He came to trust his non-spanish speaking neighbor and signed a petition. Then the Ablaza's talk to him and a long term trusted relationship ends with Mr, Vasquez yelling at his neighbor.
Finally, the Abalaza's next door neighbor, a man who dropped everything and found their daughter when she wandered away from home. Now he's a forger and a fraud. He's heartbroken.
Thats what the Ablaza's have accomplished in their neighborhood.
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MRM 06/24/2011 9:29:00 PM
So, you don't have any intention of using Sec. 33-227(a) to continue your war on the neighborhood?
I understand these arguements, I wish you'd used it when seeking retractions and not turned the neighborhood into a war zone.
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Betty 06/24/2011 9:21:00 PM
Sounds to me that you are the ones using scare tactics. The oh so scary developers are coming, their coming!! The trashy people, we need to get rid of them...please, this is a lie and you know it. And for the record we are for preservation. Don't believe everything you think or hear. The info put out by the concerned residents of GBV was info that was received from the planning dept. There was nothing to make up since it is in plain english in the ordinance. I know, it really doesn't mean anything to some, but we abide buy the rules and if it states there will be fines, then one must point that out, I know it sounds crazy to inform people...how dare we!!!
But honestly, you don't have to tell the mayor anything. She's on your side and so are the powers that be. So don't worry your self over this. You will receive your designation wrapped up in a big red bow. And everything will be sunshine and lollipops from there on out. Bc when property values start falling, I am sure you would have the chance to get out, unless you live in a true MCM or neo classical style home. For the rest of us, we're screwed. And maybe that's my opinion, but it's one that I can back up by stats. No one can guarantee that my property values are going to stay the same of even increase with this. What is my recourse for taking this risk? Do I not have choice? No. truth is we never did.
According to the planning dept, they can ask city council to approve a designation by their recommendation. So the whole petition process was a sham. It doesn't matter that people were taken advantage of or that no one cared if the signatures were indeed of that of the property owners. Nope. You see it never really never mattered what the people wanted. It was what the mayor and her cronies wanted. They want control over our properties to be able and control development. If you think the mayor is out for your best interest and cares about preservation, then you are the insane one. Do some digging, I can't tell you everything bc then you'll be calling me fear monger like you call the Ablaza's.
Given the other studies done, and advice from our financial adv, we are not in the market to put this kind of risk on our properties. Leave us out and let those who want it take the plunge. That is the only fair way to do this. But I know, it's too logical to let others make decisions.
PS: do yourself a favor and RESEARCH The Old Sixth Ward. I know I know, it's not GBV, but get familiar.
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Tommy Heilfuhrer 06/24/2011 9:01:00 PM
Dear neighbors of The Fabulous Glenbrook Valley,
My cat Fluffy Nuggets has been missing. Has any one seen him ?
Thanks.
Tommy.
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DonBrowne 06/24/2011 8:59:00 PM
I continue to support the protection that a Historic District designation would give the Glenbrook Valley neighborhood. My intention as a supporter of the district was never to prey upon the vulnerable and take their rights away. I could have applied for a C of H historic designation for just my own home, but by joining with neighbors I hoped we could reach for a higher goal. I became involved in the Glenbrook Valley historic designation activity to preserve the architecture in the neighborhood and to try to secure another tool to help residents decide what the future of the neighborhood would look like.
Something else to think about… The discussion about how an increase in property value is a primary goal of the supporters of the historic designation amuses me. We don’t want our property values to go down, but I don’t think most of us want our property to rise in value in some unnatural way either…that will just mean more property taxes to pay. Stability of our property values with perhaps a steady, healthy increase over time is one benefit I believe the Historic Designation would bring to our particular neighborhood.
There are no Mcmansions or Loftzillas now, but I am confident that the developers will find us. Although enforceable, I don’t think that our deed restrictions are enough. Developers can abide by the deed restrictions and still build much larger, more expensive homes on the lots. Developers can also request variances and use loopholes in the term “single family” home to build multifamily developments on single lots. Our resources as a neighborhood are limited, while developers frequently have deep pockets and lawyers on retainer.
Glenbrook Valley is a nice, safe, convenient place to live at a reasonable price. We know from experience that new development eventually creeps in to places with these qualities. Without the protection of the historic designation, new development will completely change the face of our historically significant neighborhood. It is also worth mentioning that bigger, newer houses get appraised at higher prices which will start to unnaturally inflate property taxes on our older homes.
In response to the specific challenges issued by Sybarite…
Regarding the change in the Historic District Preservation Ordinance… I think you must know how I feel given my dedication to preservation. I am thrilled that the ordinance is stricter now and I feel like our timing was incredibly lucky. I believe that everyone in Glenbrook Valley should feel the same way.
As for the support of the Historic District dropping to 47 percent... Generally, I believe the majority should rule, and we had a majority of homeowner’s support at the time we turned in the application. Over time it has become increasingly apparent that in their zeal to quickly change the minds of petition signers, the opposition to the historic district resorted to unethical tactics including distributing misinformation, making false accusations and using scare tactics. That doesn’t make for a fair vote and it greatly diminishes the legitimacy of the opposition. I think everyone sees this now.
So given the circumstances, I am prepared to let the Mayor and City Council be the judge and jury. I hope that City Council will give Glenbrook Valley the Historic Designation and the protection that the neighborhood clearly deserves and earned fair and square.
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Vic1298 06/24/2011 8:58:00 PM
and putting it to good use i see :)
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Vic1298 06/24/2011 8:55:00 PM
I for one would not be for the city playing monopoly with my properties. Thanks but no thanks! I'll stick to my attnys and financial adv who know what is best for me.
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Elle 06/24/2011 8:51:00 PM
Well that's not very neighborly. I know it's hard to have real facts debated, so go ahead and resort to what you know best honey, go ahead and let it all out :)
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Vic1298 06/24/2011 8:49:00 PM
Enough with the Ablaza's and Heights buddies, is that all you have??
Bc your buddies are not the ones running the show?? Please MRM, stop making a fool out of yourselve. You know exactly whats been going on and what you are going to get away with. Why are you even trying to defend this on here. You guys have won!! go drink it up.
Your people have the hold on everything. It doesn't matter what is said and what is done bc the mayor runs the city. And she wants this come hell or high water. But that doesn' bother anyone so go ahead and pretend like anyone even had a chance to beat this fair and square. But at least we know that we did the best we could to help those in need and who were taken advantage of. If you want to turn a blind eye to it, it's your choice. You have seen council public sessions and seen the victims go up there and speak thier truth. And now you want to bring in the Villareals as vilans, nice touch.
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Elle 06/24/2011 8:42:00 PM
Obviously you have not read the ordinance. Once we become a historic district, there is no way to repeal it. And sorry if I worry about the future. I know it sounds cert insane...but I do look out for our investments. Maybe you should place the designation on yours and leave me out of it if you think its "oh so great" and no big deal. Why do you have to decide for my property what I feel is not right. Just bc I don't agree with you does not make me wrong MRM. Stop trying to tell people what to do. I thought that's what you and your group was all about, not trying to tell others how to live their lives and how to go about doing it, which, btw, I have also fought for. Why can't the same be applied to me. Am I not worthy of the same freedoms you have? Or are you too affraid to take the risk alone with the rest of the people who think its great, and wait and see if you made the right decision for YOUR property.
Silly idea I am sure to you, but some of us have backgrounds in risk assessment and you cannot convince me that people are going to want to buy MY plain ol ranch style house with restrictions tied into the city when they can go ANYWHERE in the city and buy the same house for the same price. What rule applies when you can add value to something when you subtract from the pool of people who want to buy? None.
Now, those houses that are true MCM and neo classical, then yes, those houses may see an increase in value. But for the rest of us 91% (that the planning has labeled as ranch style) our values are going to more than likely decrease. Like I tell people who ask me for my opinion on values, I dont have a crystal ball, and neither do you. We will be the guinea pigs of all this since there are no other 50yrs or less neighborhoods here with this designation. I can only apply what I know and the research I have done which is not good to you since it goes against your projections.
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Jack Mehoff 06/24/2011 8:38:00 PM
Elle, it's to flush out impacted turds like you.
Thanks for your attention.
Jack
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Elle 06/24/2011 8:28:00 PM
I am literally laughing out loud!! thanks Jack!
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MRM 06/24/2011 8:25:00 PM
Uh, you know the $.99 Store has some really good deals on excess Target stuff.
But minorities aren't idiots, they know what the Ablaza's and their Heights buddies are up to and are embarassed by it.
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Elle 06/24/2011 8:24:00 PM
Once again, a summary Q and A does NOT equal the ACTAUL ordinance. I know its crazy but they are not the same thing and do not clearly state what the restrictions are going to be placed on your home. And just bc the City Planning dept "approved them" does not make it ok. These are the same people who said they were going to get a historical district one way or another in GBV. Nice. Yes, let's let these non elected people to rule over us. Bc they know what is best since we are too dumb to take care of our selves.
If you look at the petitions in question and were not being biased, you would see there are some serious issues. There were some instances where children had singed for thier parents since someone came and left the flier at the door and just asked them to sign and someone would pick it up the next day. No way of knowing who signed and if it was the actual property owner. No one would have made any noise if these things had been checked, and no, not just verbally checked, but notarized, witnessed, ect. Planning dept said they were not in the business of checking signatures when we brought these issues up. And that doesn't bother anyone?
People are upset and literally crying for justice. Freindships have been lost over this. People don't know how to disagree and be respectful to one another. My childhood freind who happens to live here and is in favor still respects me and I respect her. But she does not agree with the way things have been done. Luckily we have agreed not to talk about this issue so that we can live in peace and harmony. Too bad others don't know how to do the same. They act like 3rd graders and actually de-freind people who no longer agrees with them. How very adult of them. My kids know how to act better than some of these "proponents"
Imo, this is not about historic preservation, this is about control. There are many other ways to achieve preservation through informing people and educating them on the importance of not tearing down. This has turned into a circus. Either way, I don't know why the proponents are worried. This is going to pass. They have everyone in the city on thier side.
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MRM 06/24/2011 8:19:00 PM
The redistricting ordinance itself isn't in any foreign language. You should take that up as your next cause.
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Jack Mehoff 06/24/2011 8:16:00 PM
This town needs an enema!
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MRM 06/24/2011 8:15:00 PM
My take is that you have an irrational fear of the future and haven't yet read the ordinance. Your co-hort Sybarite, has already asserted that the war will continue, if the City designates Glenbrook Valley as an historic district. The ordinance has a provision for reconsideration in it.
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Snarky McSnarkster 06/24/2011 8:13:00 PM
MRM, could you please post your messages in Swahili?
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MRM 06/24/2011 8:08:00 PM
The application was filed in June 2010. The number of valid petitions at that time was 58%. After City Planning reviewed the application and submitted its report to the HAHC, the percentage was 54%. The Ablaza's visits with the Planning department were effective, they should declare a victory on that. Then we have the retraction battle, very effective, particulary when not constrained by City ordinance or its summaries. There's nothing in any ordinance about "retractions", and nothing in the ordinance about fining homeowners $500.00 a day for making "viturally any modifications to exteriors of their homes." But the ordinance has a long list of exceptions, like repairs, the most permitted activity in the neighborhood, paint, HVAC, fencing, landscaping, and accesories more suitable to the Heights like porch swings and ceiling fans. Coupled with the bogus "the ordinance is only in English", the Ablaza's gathered up more than 200 retractions and after City Plannings analysis, 150 valid retractions. The support level is at 45%.
If anybody can figure out the rest of that, feel free to pipe in. Thats a really long sentence to decipher.
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Jimmykrakoarn 06/24/2011 8:04:00 PM
Elle, sorry to hear you only have one. I have 2 PhDs and an MD...so I can speak from experience about the process. Thanks for playing...next contestant!
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Betty 06/24/2011 8:04:00 PM
Yes, Ablaza's had the help of freinds who happen to be a couple of realtors in the Heights who helped pass out fliers - oooooooooo. You and your side had the help from your freinds who happen to be realtors, sit on the HAHC board, help from the mayor herself and city council mems to push this through by any means necessary. Yes, clearly the Ablaza's have all the power and are out to make a profit once this goes through.
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06/24/2011 8:04:00 PM
Don't your think MRM that absolutely nobody ever dreamed that historic preservation was a method that could be used to clean up a neighborhood?
Historic preservation is about preserving history...not cleaning up neighborhoods!
What history you are 'preserving' needs to be declared significant history by The State of Texas Historical Commission along with members of the neighborhood via City Council.
If you're trying to clean up a neighborhood by using 'historic preservation' as the broom, you risk bringing down the 'ire' of the legitimate historic preservation community of the entire U.S.A..
If you need a 'clean-up' broom call the cops to be in attendance at your next Superneighborhood meeting.
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Shells 06/24/2011 7:56:00 PM
yes, most minorities are idiots! i mean look at how they live. they don't know how to maintain anything. they need to go!!! the only reason they got into glenbrook anyway, was through all the shady lending and people got in at a cheap price and low interest rates. but the fun is over. sorry, but ya gotta go! no more $.99 stores for us, i'd take a target and a ruggles green over here. and its thier fault for signing something they didn't understand. no one forced them, no one told them they had to sign. too bad, you signed it sticks and it is binding. time to let the cleaning begin!
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:42:00 PM
We went to all the redistricting meetings...and viola!! EVERYTHING was in spanish and english. WOW!! all the literature, all the films were translated, all the speakers were even trying their hardest to speak spanish. Hmmmmm, wonder if it's bc they know they will more than likey vote thier way and it is to thier benefit? How convenient
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:41:00 PM
Ok, let me explain to you: a SUMMARY is not the SAME as the ACTUAL ordinance. There are things in the ordinance that are NOT in the SUMMARY. I know, lucky for you I read english AND spanish. The ordinance is allot more in depth than the Q and A the city has out - which by the way was put out AFTER the uproar - It does not go into what the restrictions are to the homeowner. The spanish Q and A the civic club put out, has to do with the OLD ordinance not the new and the changes. The mailer the city sent out in Oct with the new changes, was ONLY IN ENGLISH. I know, people should know the english language. BUT WHY HAVE A SPANISH PETITION?!?!? And WHY does the city send out other things in tri-lingual when it has to do with recylcing but NOT when it has to do with your property rights?
We went to all the redicting meetings...and viola!! EVERYTHING was in spanish and english. WOW!! all the literature, all the films were translated, all the speakers were even trying their hardest to speak spanish. Hmmmmm, wonder if it's bc they know they will more than likey vote thier way and it is to thier benefit? How convenient
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:29:00 PM
The support level was NOT 58%, yet another lie, it was 52% at the time the application was submitted (and that was not taking into account the people that had moved people who had signed for renters, and people who signed for family members w/o their knowledge), and then when people were given an opportunity to retract their signatures, the planning dept let more people submit petitions, you know, to make it fair to those who had had 2.5 yrs to submit, and 6 weeks for those who wanted to retract IF they knew what was going on in time. After the EXTRA petitions were filled and retractions were filled, the level of support fell to 38% The planning dept decided not to count some of the retractions since they were turned in AFTER the due date. Very fair indeed. So they have decided to cook the numbers and say the level of support is 45%. Which is not the 67% the NEW ordinance says it has to be NOR the 51% the OLD ordinance (which is what they are holding us to) says.
So no Mr MRM, the level of support was NEVER 58% like CM Lovell also said at council to sway the votes.
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:09:00 PM
Yes, for those who are jelous they don't have one.
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Gkenbrook Resident 06/24/2011 7:06:00 PM
Oh no Don Carlos !! Where the civic club people are going to gather?
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:05:00 PM
And this will be a PERFECT way to jump start it in our hood! buyers are just looking for that perfect fixer upper that comes with a book of restrictions that are bound to the city..yey!!
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Elle 06/24/2011 7:03:00 PM
OMG Mrs Van Tran is a man?!?!? Ooooo, better let her husband know. LOL!!! And how she was able to have 4 children, that must be a miracle!! Mrs Van Tran's children go to Tae Kwon Do class with my kids. And Mrs Van Tran was out of town at the time of the interview. Nice try to cover that one up. Who is insane now, lmao!!
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Elle 06/24/2011 6:52:00 PM
Yes, JA please use spell chk bc god forbid you step out of line and these peeps will be all over you for a MIS spelling. But show them proof of forgeries and marriges on the verge of breaking up bc of this, and they say "whatev"...
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Mr STR 06/24/2011 6:46:00 PM
Yes get rid of the low lifes that live here...they are bringing the property values down. I remember when this place was GREAT! These trashy people need to go. That's why I signed the petition and that's why I want them GONE!! I am tired of the all the mexican restaraunts...when are we going to get a decent food joint around here?!?!? And this will help get rid of those apts too. Once this place starts going back to the way it used to be, the right people will start buying. I'd like to see target or something else than a Food Town, wth!?!? So yes, Snoots!! thank you for saying what we are all thinking!!
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Gdc 06/24/2011 6:39:00 PM
Well apparently some Libs who all are about rights and not bullying, don't seem to care about the little people when it has to do with their pocket books. I don't consider myself lib or conserv, I consider my self a human who does unto others. Crazy, I know, but that's how we roll. Besides, conserv and lib is the same thing these days. Or haven't you noticed.
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Elle 06/24/2011 6:36:00 PM
The fact that it leaves too much power to un-elected officials? This admin will not be here but for another 2 yrs. You don't know what the next one will do. Once we become historic, it is forever.
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Alice 06/24/2011 6:14:00 PM
But the City could do that if someone doesn't get permission, couldn't they? Even if they actually don't, they could.
I know that's the way it is where I'm from, but I don't know what the Houston ordinance says.
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MRM 06/24/2011 4:05:00 PM
Yep - Mary Castillo is the one. And her signature is different on the 4 retrataction that she signed.
Van Tran is a man and the name Van Tran is the male naming convention. When used for a female the naming convention includes a middle name.
I don't have anything more to add to the dead or alive debate.
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:38:00 PM
When the Historic District application was turned in support was at 58%. Now, people think that if they do anything to their home, the City is going to fine them $500.00 a day. Its not true, but the opposition has been very effective in spreading that allegation.
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:26:00 PM
I'll try my best on this. There were Spanish language petitions and ordinance summaries and Spanish speaking people to assist with the collection of petitions from homeowners who were more comfortable with that language. The collection process was a door to door, neighbor to neighbor effort over an eighteen month period.
The are no official translations of any city ordinance, state or federal law. You know this and the reasons why and use it as a foundation to your objections to this specific ordinance because thats about all you've got. To take your objection to an abusudity, parking in a fire zone would be permissible because the sign and the associated ordinance isn't available and in multiple foreign languages. But, you park in a fire zone and your going to pay a sizeable fine.
Yes, there has been opposition to this from inception, the Ablaza's and others were very vocal about it at the first civic club meeting about it and the stack of papers turned into the City includes written statements from those that told us they objected. We tried not to pester them after they told us that.
I honestly believe that the historic district designation for Glenbrook Valley would have an immense long term benefit. There are others that are far more eloquent on the subject and I agree with them. But, I'm not a realtor, I'm a homeowner that is presently way upside down on my mortgage. My personal opinion is that the historic district designation will have little to no effect on property value. I moved to GBV because its close to work and subsequently fell in love with the neighborhood and my house that would have been my parents dream home, if they could have afforded it when I was a child.
Since October 2010 when the Ablaza's hooked up with the Heights Realtor PAC, I've been called a liar, a forger and a racist. I've examined my conscience for any hint that any of those accusations are true at any level. I don't think so and my feelings are tremendous hurt. I try not to take it personally.
And I think City Council will vote the designation down.
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Alice 06/24/2011 3:11:00 PM
I'm glad I don't live there. This whole thing stinks. If the majority don't want it, it shouldn't even be a question for City Council.
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JA 06/24/2011 7:17:00 AM
The little people can have a voice but not in their back yard Elle.
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JA 06/24/2011 7:15:00 AM
You mean A. Castillo, S. Castillo, and M. Castillo? Different people usually have different signatures. M. Castillo signed one and printed on anther. Don't know if the planning department accepted it they wont tell us. My guess is not.
Tran is a female, she is the owner of that home per HCAD, and her signature was indeed forged. Are you calling her a liar?
The dead person has two different signatures on two different petition for the same property. Which one did he/she sign? No one can tell, can they? Yet, the signature counts.
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Elle 06/24/2011 6:31:00 AM
I am all for people speaking the english language, no one is arguing that point. But why have people SIGN a SPANISH petition KNOWING the ordinance was in ENGLISH only? I understand efforts were made. But having a SUMMARY and the actual ORDINACE are not the same. Plus, the materials the civic club put out entailed info about the OLD odinance and not the changes that most (even english speakers) were not aware of.
My kids go to public school in the area and anytime they bring something home it's in English Spanish and Vietnamese. So it's ok for the city/school board to send out SOME info (when it's beneficial to them to inform you) but not when it has to do with people's property rights???
Furthermore, I am all for preservation. But to preserve a plain ranch style house? is beyond me. If residents want to take the risk, then be my guest. You should have the right to put the restrictions on YOUR property. But why do you want to drag the rest of us with you if we feel it is not the right thing for us? Has anyone not learned from all the other fumbles the city has done, esp recently? Do you really want to trust them with this?? Are THEY real estate investment analysts who know this WILL increase our values? Will I have any recourse if it drops bc of this? Why not have a community based preservation effort? Why not try asking people what they think is best before you shove your opinion on them? And what happened to democracy? Where the people decide?
I have allot of investments tied into my property and I choose NOT to risk it. My background is in Finance and Econ, and maybe that is not enough for anyone to listen to me. But I refuse to believe that my property is going to be worth more when you are going to SUBTRACT from the pool of people that would want to buy plain 'ol house (that still needs lots of work) bc of the restrictions now placed on it.
Not to mentioned this leaves allot of power to un-elected officials. The planning dept has repeatedly said they change ordinances all the time, this would not be an exception.
I also find it quiet hypocritical that some who have made changes to their homes that would not be approved by the new ordinance are in favor of "preservation". Really? how nice that you have benefited from the rights we all shared and now want to take them from others who had not the time or money to make the deed restricted approved changes they wanted/needed to do.
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Elle 06/24/2011 5:59:00 AM
Start by answering questions. Then WHY HAVE A SPANISH PETITION? The so called spanish ordinance was a question and answer/SUMMARY and not the ACTUAL ordinance. Why have people check off they read an english only ordinance if they signed a spanish petition??? I know, it sounds like just another "technicality" but you know, and the rest of the people know, this was wrong. The ONLY people capitalizing here is you and those who seek something to benefit from all of this (financially and/or politically) I have NOTHING but my word that I gave people when they BEGGED me to help them after they had been duped (their words not mine) into signing something they thought was one thing and turned out to be something else. I know this sounds "certifiably insane" to you but honestly, this will probably not affect us as much as it is going to affect others who are already having a hard time paying their bills much less extra permitting fees for changing their door or being turned down for wanting to change the pitch of their roof for extra storage space.
I also love how some who are in favor of this ordinance have already done changes that would NOT be approved by this new ordinance. How nice.
I thought you Dem/Libs were allot about the little people, the people with no voice, the people who have been really bullied and taken advantage of. If you don't see anything wrong with the way some people have been dealt with, then you are seriously blind or just playing the same games... and you know what has been going on. If you choose to lie to yourself and to others, then you are the one that has to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and lie that this has all been done on the up and up.
I may not have have the smarts of your architectural bacground and maybe it would benefit some, but the way it was done was WRONG and no one is wanting to take responsibility and instead resort to name calling and bashing. People are scared to come out and say what really happened and what they were told bc of the lies the proponents have decided to spread about those who are merely trying to bring justice.
Let me ask you, were there any people going actively against this when the signatures were being taken up? No. Why? bc WE even trusted those that were in charge that these signatures were being verified and that people were being properly informed. We figured if they want it and they get the % then so be it. We'll comply. But that is not what happened. Trust me, I would much rather go back to helping out those who really need my help.
But honestly, you know that this will be voted in. So why worry your pretty little head. You'll get what you want and then this will all be one big happy place...you know, how it once was back in the 50's?
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MRM 06/24/2011 4:58:00 AM
Not a single city ordinance, state or federal law is officially translated into Spanish or any other foreign language. To do so, would provoke legal confusion and a political and cultural war far beyond the likes of the current discussion. The anti-historic preservation ordinance faction know this and are attempting to capitalize on it.
The summaries which the ordinance requires were prepared by the City in both English and Spanish and were circulated in Glenbrook Valley in by both the City and proponents of the ordinance.
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MRM 06/24/2011 4:44:00 AM
I assume you have copies of the retractions that you gave to the City. Tell us what the story is with the Castillo's multiple properties on Cayton. The signatures are different. Is that fraud and forgery or just a mistake? And whats the deal with the Van Tran property? The property owner is a man. The disembodied voice on the evening news was female. No wonder she didn't remember signing a petition or want to appear on television.
Dead people did not sign petitions. They were alive when they signed them. If the property changed ownership the petition is invalid and not counted, if the property had not change ownership then they counted.
But dead people signed petitions is just too good a sound bite to give up isn't it?
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Elle 06/24/2011 4:38:00 AM
I am all for people speaking the english language, no one is arguing that point. But why have people SIGN a SPANISH petition KNOWING the ordinance was in ENGLISH only? My kids go to public school in the area and anytime they bring something home it's in English Spanish and Vietnamese. So it's ok for the city/school board to send out SOME info (when it's beneficial to them to inform you) but not when it has to do with people's property rights???
Furthermore, I am all for preservation. But to preserve a plain ranch style house? is beyond me. If residents want to take the risk, then be my guest. You should have the right to put the restrictions on YOUR property. But why do you want to drag the rest of us with you if we feel it is not the right thing for us? Has anyone not learned from all the other fumbles the city has done, esp recently? Do you really want to trust them with this?? Are THEY real estate investment analysts who know this WILL increase our values? Will I have any recourse if it drops bc of this? Why not have a community based preservation effort? Why not try asking people what they think is best before you shove your opinion on them? And what happened to democracy? Where the people decide?
I have allot of investments tied into my property and I choose NOT to risk it. My background is in Finance and Econ, and maybe that is not enough for anyone to listen to me. But I refuse to believe that my property is going to be worth more when you are going to SUBTRACT from the pool of people that would want to buy plain 'ol house (that still needs lots of work) bc of the restrictions now placed on it.
For the record, just bc some happen to side more in the conserv side, does not mean they don't care about people and justice. If there is an injustice for one person, there is an injustice for all. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian...____ insert ethnicity) and yes, even gays. I know it sounds "certifiably insane" but I do care for everyone. The only witch hunt, was the one done when those who were vulnerable were preyed upon to get them to sign their rights away w/o properly informing them about the ordinance and what it entailed. Who is taking what from whom? And who is the one going around "scaring" people into thinking this is going to turn in the gheto IF this ordinance does NOT pass? Hmmmmm.
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Elle 06/24/2011 4:19:00 AM
I am all for people speaking the english language, no one is arguing that point. But why have people SIGN a SPANISH petition KNOWING the ordinance was in ENGLISH only? My kids go to public school in the area and anytime they bring something home it's in English Spanish and Vietnamese. So it's ok for the city/school board to send out SOME info (when it's beneficial to them to inform you) but not when it has to do with people's property rights???
Furthermore, I am all for preservation. But to preserve a plain ranch style house? is beyond me. If residents want to take the risk, then be my guest. You should have the right to put the restrictions on YOUR property. But why do you want to drag the rest of us with you if we feel it is not the right thing for us? Has anyone not learned from all the other fumbles the city has done, esp recently? Do you really want to trust them with this?? Are THEY real estate investment analysts who know this WILL increase our values? Will I have any recourse if it drops bc of this? Why not have a community based preservation effort? Why not try asking people what they think is best before you shove your opinion on them? And what happened to democracy? Where the people decide?
I have allot of investments tied into my property and I choose NOT to risk it. My background is in Finance and Econ, and maybe that is not enough for anyone to listen to me. But I refuse to believe that my property is going to be worth more when you are going to SUBTRACT from the pool of people that would want to buy plain 'ol house (that still needs lots of work) bc of the restrictions now placed on it.
For the record, just bc some happen to side more in the conserv side, does not mean they don't care about people and justice. If there is an injustice for one person, there is an injustice for all. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian...____ insert ethnicity) and yes, even gays. I know it sounds "certifiably insane" but I do care for everyone. The only witch hunt, was the one done when those who were vulnerable were preyed upon to get them to sign their rights away w/o properly informing them about the ordinance and what it entailed. Who is taking what from whom? And who is the one going around "scaring" people into thinking this is going to turn in the gheto IF this ordinance does NOT pass? Hmmmmm.
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MRM 06/24/2011 4:17:00 AM
Then why were the Heights realtors out in force at our community meetings about historic preservation? Their powerpoint presentation with the $800,000 + listings at your meeting confused me too, I can only imagine what the non-english speaking Hispanics thought about that.
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Real JA 06/24/2011 4:16:00 AM
I wish I could take credit for that one but I can't. Funny though.
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JA 06/24/2011 4:13:00 AM
Show them.
The city accepted the dead person's petition - both of them. The planning department could not tell me which one was the correct signature but they counted it none the less. There are other properties where the owners have moved away, yet those petitions are still considered valid. If the planning department would wash all that away the support number would be 37%. Relax though, the question of the petitions has been settled. The planning department has decided to ignore the wishes of the community.
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JA 06/24/2011 4:03:00 AM
I'm sorry, isn't Searcy a realtor? The Heights realtors have no interest in Glenbrook Valley.
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JA 06/24/2011 3:59:00 AM
typing too fast! Community.
-thanks
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:46:00 AM
Community effort was applicable until the Ablaza's hooked up with the Heights realtors and declared war on the neighborhood. Now its definitely a war zone.
As an aside, I have had dead cats and bottles in my yard too, but no one is throwing dead cats and bottles around in retribution for anything. The neighborhood has a feral cat issue and the Ablaza's know that since it was the subject of extensive blogs and complaints to the City prior to their involvement with the subject at hand. As for the bottles, people litter and thats about it.
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JA 06/24/2011 3:31:00 AM
@ncp- whose salad have you been tossing?
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:24:00 AM
Wishful thinking on your part, but the real estate market is definitely in the tank.
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Jimmykrakoarn 06/24/2011 3:24:00 AM
PhD=pile it high and deep
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:21:00 AM
Yep - we turned in every scrap of paper that we collected, including those from homeowners that declined. The dead person accusation makes for a good sound bite on the evening news, but the fact is the homeowner was alive when they signed and if the property subsequently changed ownership, the City didn't include them in the percentage. The two petitions, mismatched signatures is a case of everyone in the family signing a petition, it only counts once. But the opposition should take a look at their retractions, you've got multiple petitions with mismatched signatures. What's your spin on that?
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JimmyKrakoarn 06/24/2011 3:19:00 AM
JA- please use speil check.
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MRM 06/24/2011 3:10:00 AM
Comparing the Rutgers study, a peer reviewed academic journal article to Dr. Dodd's research on Glenbrook Valley is intellectually dishonest.
Her research is akin to academic prostitution, given her open and vocal prejudice on the matter.
Finally, Poor Maverick Welsh, first he drives by and waves at his neighbors and ends up under an investigation instituted by the anti ordinance gang and now your snide comments. Sorry, I'm not Maverick Welsh.
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MRM 06/24/2011 2:53:00 AM
Again, not Robert Searcy, not a realtor and I don't have a Facebook account.
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JA 06/24/2011 12:18:00 AM
Maybe people don't want a house in a historic district.
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JA 06/24/2011 12:14:00 AM
Sounds like all you need is for the sun to come up.
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NPCHoustonian 06/24/2011 12:13:00 AM
Check Facts? MRM could not even check signatures. His group sent in multiple petitions from the same person. Only problem was that the signatures didn't match. Two petitions, with different signatures, from a dead person.
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JA 06/24/2011 12:08:00 AM
I was driven by a minority of property owners. "Cummunity" is too broad a term MRM.
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NPCHoustonian 06/24/2011 12:04:00 AM
Hmmm. I seem to remember one of your posts on Facebook celebrating Forclosures in Glenbrook Valley MRM. I believe the term you used was "spinning out"? Good thing I printed all that, it might come in handy later. Lots of people in Glenbrook Valley believe you want them out and your acceptance of Snoopy's comments shows it. At least Snoopy has the guts to admit it.
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Sybarite 06/23/2011 10:55:00 PM
Typical tactic. Hey, ever do any hedonic regressions? Dr. Dodds used to teach statistics at Texas A&M. She is an expert in the field of return on investment and regularly consults with the area’s top refineries on that very matter. Even more to the point, she is a trained researcher, eminently qualified to review and analyze academic studies. I don’t think you can honestly say that about most realtors.
Unlike you or the City of Houston, she actually took the time to look at the data--all the data--and apply them to Glenbrook Valley. I think we now know why you didn’t want this to come to light, so now you attack the messenger. I find it interesting that you did not support your assertion that her findings were cobbled together and skewed. Could you tell us which studies you’re using to back that statement? By contrast, Dr. Dodds report was accompanied with a list of references from 15 university studies on the effects of historic designation.
Dr. Dodds never once said that the Rutgers study was intellectually dishonest. Better check your facts. She merely pointed out that the Rutgers study was not applicable to Glenbrook Valley. I forgive you for not understanding that when you and others touted the study as a guarantee that property values would rise. I’m sure you’re a terrific high school history teacher.
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MRM 06/23/2011 10:50:00 PM
I'm curious about what is in the ordinance that would scare and confuse anyone?
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No I don't speak Spanish 06/23/2011 10:47:00 PM
I have to say all this crap about people being up in arms, worrying about people who don't speak english. Tough shit, you shouldn't even be able to buy a home. Especially, through HUD or any other government backed financing. Do people in Mexico,Germany,France or any where
make sure that I am afforded a nonnative language. So I feel comfortable, I used to speak spanish. I won't any more, when asked I usually reply englase solomente' now fuck off. If you want to change my country go change the one you came from.
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MRM 06/23/2011 10:09:00 PM
The one, absolutely correct observation made in this article is that both sides of this issue believe that they are working for the good of the neighborhood. I wish you would agree with me on that instead of thinking that I'm "fat gentry".
As a proponent of historic designation my goal is not to push people out of their homes, devalue their property or impose expensive regulations. The ordinance does not do any of those things. Its been in effect in the pending district for over a year and I'd like a single example of that having happened. The front door experience doesn't count and if you think it does then you should re-think how you apply the "fat gentry" moniker.
There are problems in Glenbrook Valley and I believe that historic designation will help resolve those problems. Twelve years ago, Norhill was a neighborhood with similar problems. Today, Norhill has new infrastructure, streets, sewers, street lighting and there is a tremendous sense of pride in homeownership. I firmly believe that their designation as a historic district contributed to those improvements and its a fantastic neighborhood because of it.
The issue is about preservation and property rights. I've read the ordinance in its entirety. None of my property rights have been stolen and the inconvenience of obtaining approval to modify the exterior of my home is strongly outweighed by the the benefits to the community. I don't think its going to have much if any effect on my property value. Opponents believe differently. But no realtor is making money in Glenbrook Valley, I don't know what your talking about on the political aspirations remark and no one is beating up the guy with 4 kids.
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Sybarite 06/23/2011 9:52:00 PM
I personally know Don Browne, and I can tell you without equivocation that he is an extremely ethical person, and that he has a deep, abiding love for the mid-century aesthetic. I absolutely accept what he says about the way he and nearly everyone involved collected petition signatures. Yet, several Hispanic neighbors have testified that they were tricked and misled, and I can tell you that they were not coerced into saying so. Mostly frightened and confused, they came to us for help. The only conclusion I can draw is that some, albeit a small number, of the people who collected signatures were not so ethical.
As bad as that is, I don’t think it’s the real issue here. I challenge Mr. Browne to say that he’s in favor of historic designation despite the fact that the city has publicly stated that it can only document that 45% of Glenbrook Valley residents want it. I can’t imagine that he would support creating an historic district against the wishes of his neighbors.
I also challenge Don to deny that the method used by the city was a bait-and-switch. Petition signatures were gathered under the regulations of the old historic ordinance. That ordinance would have acknowledged Glenbrook Valley as having homes of historic significance without restricting property rights. The city accepted the petition, but instead of approving Glenbrook Valley in anything like a normal fashion, they sat on the application for five months while they crafted and passed a revised ordinance that severely limited homeowners’ rights. The city’s transition ordinance specifically singled Glenbrook Valley out as having no recourse in light of the changes to the rules. Come on, Don, that stinks. Without knowing that you were doing it, you sold us something that wasn’t true. Please understand that we don’t blame you for that. You and the majority of your neighbors who collected petition signatures were duped just like the rest of us.
It’s time to stand up and admit that this was badly handled. You don’t get meaningful historic preservation by trickery and force. You get it through education and being strait with people. If you want all the positive things you mentioned to come true, the only way is to insist that this process be done over—the right way. Let this current mess go. If you’re convinced that the majority of your neighbors want to be an historic district under the new ordinance, re-apply under the new ordinance. If you do that, and if you get 67% of the residents to give up their property rights, the opponents will shut up and get with the program.
Barring that, Dan, you’re dead wrong about the neighborhood healing after the dust settles. If this thing passes under these circumstances, I promise you, things will get worse; not better. When people feel cheated—especially when it involves their single biggest asset—they tend to fight to the bitter end. I wouldn’t count on passage by City Council as being in the bag, but passage is most definitely not the end.
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MRM 06/23/2011 9:27:00 PM
Many thanks for the insight, as a white guy in a majority, minority negihborhood its very much appreciated.
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Sybarite 06/23/2011 8:50:00 PM
You make a good point, and I applaud that you are speaking directly without a bunch of insincere PC. As a native Houstonian and a preservationist, I agree with a lot of what you said. Because things are seldom black-and-white, I would like to add a couple of other thoughts.
Is it the right solution to let fat gentry push these people out of their homes, usually by devaluing their property and making expensive regulations they don’t have the ability to meet? Wouldn’t it be better to try to educate these homeowners that their cheap renos are hurting the value of their nest egg? But helping homeowners improve the neighborhood doesn’t seem to be the motive of this effort.
The people you mention are citizens with the same rights as those of us who “get it”. What about the notion of democracy? If the majority of homeowners don’t want a thing, it just shouldn’t be done. And what about property rights? Those people worked hard for their homes, and they think that gives them the right to do what they please with their property. I agree that their rights are limited by building codes, but the city wants to dictate taste.
At least in Glenbrook Valley, historic designation is a solution in search of a problem. Most of the homeowners take a great deal of pride in their houses and keep them beautifully maintained. Glenbrook Valley has very strong deed restrictions. Like this article mentions, there are no McMansions or loftzillas. Those things and a lot more a not allowed under the deed restrictions. Again, like the article mentions, this has kept developers from having any interest in Glenbrook Valley.
Please be aware that, by the city’s own numbers, only about 7% of the houses out here have any historic significance. I can tell you as a resident, all of those houses are in the hands of people who know their value and wouldn’t dare screw them up. Where is the need for an historic district?
That’s the kicker, my friend. This is not about preservation. A realtor wants to make money through gentrification, a couple of civic club members have political aspirations, and the mayor wants land use control (backdoor zoning). Let’s not beat up the guy with 4 kids who knocks down a cool $35K for doing the best he can with chicken wire and left-over paint.
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MRM 06/23/2011 8:28:00 PM
Its no surprise that Dr. Dodd, a psychologist with no background at all in real estate or governance field and a very vocal anti-ordinance supporter could cobble together those very skewed conclusions. The Rutgers study is a published, peer-reviewed academic journal article that while dated is applicable.
To compare them is intellectually dishonest and unworthty of a PhD.
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DonBrowne 06/23/2011 7:48:00 PM
I am a native Houstonian and a Glenbrook Valley resident. I support the historic preservation ordinance for the neighborhood because first and foremost, it will offer protection for the architectural integrity of all the homes. It may not be obvious to most people yet, but the Ranch Style home was a very significant architectural development in post war America. Glenbrook Valley is unusual because so many of the original Ranch Style and Mid-Century Modern homes are still intact. The neighborhood has the potential to serve as a very fine example to educate people about the importance of these buildings.
If Council approves the application for the historic district (and after the dust settles from the opposing views), the protection will stimulate a series of positive changes for the residents and the neighborhood. Although perhaps slow at first, I think the changes to come will include a much greater sense of pride in the neighborhood and strong unity among diverse neighbors. Those qualities in the people of the neighborhood will be what lead to the good probability of a cleaner, safer neighborhood with stable value for years to come.
On the subject of trickery or racism to non-English speakers during the collection of petitions, I can say this. I worked on the historic designation project in Glenbrook Valley from the inception of the idea until we turned the application in last June. It was always of the utmost importance to everyone involved to accommodate non-English speakers. Written communication was always provided in both Spanish and English, and Spanish speaking volunteers were available to those who needed help understanding the ordinance. I am half Mexican American. My grandparents were working class immigrants who never learned English. Providing for Spanish speakers was very important to me personally, and I can honestly say that we made every possible effort to accommodate the Spanish speaking residents with correct information.
Regarding our property rights… As with most choices, there are pros and cons. I believe the protection that the ordinance will provide is great and the sacrifices are relatively small. (Honestly, I don’t know how any rational person who has all the information would not see it this way.)
To me, the concept with preservation here is like the concept with recycling. No one really wants to save cans and bottles and rinse them and put them in a separate receptacle and carry two bins to the curb. It is inconvenient, but a small sacrifice. We do it to conserve resources, to leave something for our children and for other people in the future.
Preservation of our neighborhood will be a bit of a sacrifice, but it is just the right thing to do.