Purveyors and Pimps of RCs who think they've outsmarted the law and that the Federal A.S.A doesn't apply to them should become prison pen pals with some of the fools who thought the same thing -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Web_Tryp
By Chris Lane
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In June 2012, Elijah Stai and his friend Adam Budge were in Budge's home in East Grand Forks, Minnesota, mixing a white powder called 25-I-NBOME into chocolate, having no idea what the hell they were doing. Budge didn't know what the powder was; it was something that had caught his eye after he broke into his weed dealer's apartment and found a box containing a few sweetener-sized packets of the stuff. It would cost Budge his freedom and Stai his life. Carlton, a 28-year-old father of two, wouldn't know it for a few more months, but it would overturn his life as well.
After Budge shared the special chocolate with Stai, the two went to McDonald's, then returned to the Budge home. That's when, according to media reports, Stai freaked. He shook and growled and banged his head against the ground. Budge figured his friend was just having a bad trip. Budge's father was home at the time and, incredibly, deferred to his son's unsound judgment. But later that morning, after Stai stopped breathing, Budge's father called 911. At the hospital, Stai was placed on life support. Three days later, his parents signed the papers to pull the plug.
Stai was the region's second casualty of Carlton's 25-I that week, according to federal prosecutors. An 18-year-old named Wesley Sweeney bought some of the drug from Budge and, two nights before Stai died, laid it out in long lines at a house party in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Sweeney and his friend 18-year-old Christian Bjerk tried some. Bjerk's autopsy would indicate that he hadn't inhaled any of the powder — he may have dabbed some on his fingertips. It was enough to cause a bad reaction. Later that night, he walked outside and died face-down on the ground. His buddy Sweeney was found in a park, naked, by cops, and taken to the hospital and later to court. His next stop will be prison.
By August 2012, an aggressive federal prosecutor in North Dakota named Chris Myers had put together a conspiracy case tying the deaths in North Dakota — and other deaths and overdoses in Minnesota — to Houston. According to an indictment, Carlton and his company's IT guy, John Polinski, bought "research chemicals" — synthetic drugs — from suppliers in China, Europe, Canada and elsewhere and sold them online.
Ever since the Federal Analog Act became law in 1986, dealers of analog drugs — substances that bear chemical makeups substantially similar to those of old favorites like meth, cocaine and LSD — have sidestepped prosecution by selling drugs whose molecular construction has been tweaked enough to create something technically new. But thanks to legislation passed in the past two years in which more analogs have been added, state and federal law enforcement agencies have been better equipped to tackle dealers like Carlton. In theory, anyway.
This far-flung conspiracy case will be one of the first to test the application of the Federal Analog Act to substances like 25-I, which was not a scheduled drug (i.e., one regulated by the federal government) at the time Carlton sold it but might be considered an analog to something called 2C-I, which has been listed as a controlled substance since 1995. According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, 2C-I "can be treated on a case-by-case basis as if it were a schedule I controlled substance, if it is distributed with the intention for human consumption."
However, this was not a DEA case. It belonged to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security — specifically, Homeland Security Investigations, a division of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The division's agents look into everything from human rights violations to arms and narcotics trafficking. Part of the division's mission, according to its Web site, is to investigate "terrorist and other criminal organizations" and combat "worldwide criminal enterprises who seek to exploit America's legitimate trade, travel and financial systems."
Carlton was now in the big leagues. In the eyes of the federal government, he wasn't just selling molecularly jerry-rigged meth to a bunch of idiots. He was a threat to national security.
According to discussions on some online forums, Carlton's company, Motion Research, was one of the more reputable vendors of drugs euphemistically referred to by users as research chemicals.
They are so called because they were originally created in labs by legitimate scientists and tested for medicinal purposes. So there's a body of literature for what Kay McClain of the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences calls "rogue chemists" to play with. McClain, a forensic chemist, was part of the institute's team of experts who helped draw up Texas's legislation against such chemicals. The idea behind the Texas law was to craft something broad enough to address the whole glut of research chemicals, in contrast to the federal approach of listing each individual drug as it popped up.
"They can sell these things on the Internet...as something besides a drug," McClain says. "They'll say that it's an ant killer; they'll say that it's something to clean with...and they're selling it that way, so they're getting around the law that way."
She adds, "We're all sitting around the whole country waiting to see how they try a case and how they go after it, because a lot of the prosecutors...this is new to everyone. It's new to the prosecutors, it's new to the laboratory personnel that are testing these drugs. Even as we speak, they're re-looking at the Texas laws, because they're having issues knowing how to try these types of cases."
They're a chatty bunch, these amateur researchers. Although they of course don't use their real names online, most of them feel compelled to employ the term "research chemicals" or similarly benign labels like "plant fertilizer," and some will describe the drugs' potency in terms of how their "plants" have reacted. Some commenters will say they look forward to "conducting research." They're like high-schoolers who've created a decidedly unclever code for weed, one that apparently gives them no end of pleasure.
In some online forums, the users seem to consider themselves members of an exclusive club, and they love chatting about the chemical components of the crap they consume, about how stupid the media is for always misreporting something that some kid OD'd on as 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine when it was actually N-(2-methoxybenzyl)-4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine. Their superior grasp of chemistry allows many of them to know for certain that it's never the substance alone that kills people, it's that some greenhorn hasn't done his homework, which in turn fuels a media frenzy and hollow political outrage. The story you are reading will no doubt be parsed to shreds on these forums faster than you can say "4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine."
However, they're often right, and the Carlton prosecution is a good example: It appears that none of the regular commenters on the forums reviewed by the Houston Press would snort a bag of mystery powder or knowingly mix 25-I into chocolate and chomp it like a Snickers. There are a lot of consumers, but not so many reported deaths.
Even more confusing, some of the substances Carlton is charged with selling were legal in many states at the time — as long as they were not used for human consumption or sold with the knowledge that buyers were using them to get high.
The wiggle room granted by this disclaimer, and the fact that a lot of substances hadn't yet been added to the list of controlled substances, appear to have led Carlton and his business partner, Harry "Scootdog" Mickelis, to launch Motion Research as a legitimate company. They filed articles of incorporation with the Texas Secretary of State in late 2010, moved into an office building and set up shop. Adding to this patina of legitimacy, Motion Research's drugs were sold with material safety data sheets explicitly stating that the products were "not for human use," and customers were required to fill out a registration form explaining their purchases' intended use. The site's terms-and-conditions page stated, "By purchasing any material from Motion Research Co you acknowledge that you work for or own a research company, are a legitimate researcher with a proper laboratory facility and are skilled in the art of handling hazardous materials."
Prior to launching Motion Research, Carlton worked at a company that repaired X-ray machines and was on probation. He had received deferred adjudication after pleading guilty to a charge of attempted deadly conduct. Court records show that he pulled a knife on a 21-year-old man in 2009 but did not actually stab him. Although the details aren't included in the court records, the would-be victim in the case told the Press that the incident occurred at a McDonald's; Carlton, appearing out of sorts, was a customer who reportedly got into an argument with the manager; when the man intervened, Carlton brandished a knife. Ultimately, Carlton was released from probation two years early, and, per the terms of his deferred adjudication, the charge was dismissed.
Carlton's business partner, 39-year-old Mickelis — who preferred to be called by his middle name, George — was a man with no obvious source of income. He had four minor drug-possession charges on his record, two of which were dismissed and two of which resulted respectively in probation and a 40-day stint in Harris County Jail. In a 2007 charge for his second DWI, his employment was listed as part-time jobs at a courier service and an IT-consulting firm.
Although Mickelis co-founded the company that prosecutors say sold deadly drugs to teenagers, his name doesn't appear in court records for this case. That's because, it seems, he cooperated with federal agents.
While his business partner and IT guy waited to post bond in jail, Mickelis put pictures on Facebook of himself and his buddies enjoying themselves at a casino. Sources say he nearly cleaned out the company's bank account before calling his lawyer and cooperating with federal agents, who should have been able to make a slam-dunk case without such assistance in the first place.
Mickelis seems to illustrate a very important lesson in the war against analog drugs: If you drop a dime on your fellow drug dealers — after you've made a handsome profit — you are no longer considered a threat to national security.
The real threat, on paper anyway, is Carlton and 25-year-old Polinski, who took care of Motion Research's IT needs. At the time Polinski accepted the job offer, according to his girlfriend, Derien Mattingly, he was living out of Mattingly's car. He had served four days for a 2009 theft conviction and five days in 2011 after pleading no contest to possession of muscle relaxers for which he had no prescription.
Over the previous few years, Polinski had worked a series of mostly retail jobs, but after a recent layoff, he was unable to contribute his share of the rent, and he and Mattingly were evicted. This led to a breakup. Mattingly moved in with her mother, and, not wanting to put Polinski out on the street, she let him borrow her car so he could look for work and have a place to sleep. They have since reconciled.
"John's pretty much been on his own since he was 16 — family-wise, at least," Mattingly says. "He's got...really strong friends and adopted family."
Mattingly says Polinski met Carlton through a mutual acquaintance, and Polinski jumped at the chance to get a job. She says Carlton let him crash on his couch until he found a place of his own.
Polinski's ex-wife, Bonnie Hensel — with whom he remains on good terms — echoed Mattingly's explanation of how Polinski came to work for Motion Research in the first place. Hensel wrote in an e-mail, "Charles Carlton needed some work done on his company's Web site and offered John the job. John was excited to be offered a job doing what he really wanted to do, and saw it as a good opportunity to gain experience since he doesn't have much official training in Web design. He then started working for [Motion Research]. The company was a legitimately operating LLC based out of an office building in Houston, TX...I know he was receiving a weekly salary with a real paycheck, with taxes taken out and everything. I don't see how anyone could allege that he was receiving profits from any kind of drug money or taking part in some kind of illegal operation, at least that he could reasonably discern."
She adds: "I know that John had no idea about any kind of drugs, or could suspect the company was involved in anything illegal, because I don't think he would have knowingly took such a risk with something he was counting on as a stepping stone to a bigger career. The only things he always talked about regarding work was the fact he was learning a lot of new Web design skills and would hopefully get a reference for a better paying job. He was just trying to further his career in Web design; he didn't own any part of the company, and the company was started long before he was hired to work on their site. Now he is being charged with a crime that he had absolutely nothing to do with...he is being held responsible for the gross negligence of these people across the country who he's never even met."
As it turns out, Polinski would have been better off living out of his girlfriend's car.
For starters, whether Polinski knew it or not, his boss appears to have been openly discussing the recreational use of research chemicals on a forum called LegalHighGuides.com, which flies in the face of Motion Research's claim that the substances were not to be used for human consumption. This implicated both Polinski and Mickelis.
On that forum, a representative of Motion Research who called himself "Sandman" quickly built up the company's reputation as a vendor with integrity that sold quality products at reasonable prices. It's unclear whether Mickelis and Polinski knew "Sandman" was posting on LegalHighGuides.com. Either way, Sandman wasn't doing them any favors.
Unlike Mickelis and Polinski, but like Carlton, Sandman was married. This fact came up under troubling circumstances approximately one month before Carlton was released from his probation. Sandman's post suggested that his wife was less than pleased with his business endeavors.
"MY WIFE HAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED MY OFFICE," he wrote. "I'd take some pictures to prove it to you guys but she broke my camera. She also destroyed a laptop, my copy/[scanner]/printer, my desktop, two monitors, my scales, paper shredder and about half of my inventory. THANK GOD she did NOT find the 4-AcO-DMT!! I'm about to kill her. Please pray for me to have some strength in these hard times."
Sandman was smart enough, later on, to delete all of his original posts on LegalHighGuides.com, but he had no control over other members pasting those comments into their own.
Cached screenshots for Motion Research show that the site was closed by early October.
"Our offices were recently compromised by Federal authorities," the home page said. "We have thoroughly dedicated our company to legal compliance. However, circumstances arise where this dedication can be overlooked, regardless of that fact. With that being said, we feel that the liability which the operation of this endevour demands is too high a liability for us to keep our business in Motion [sic]."
The deaths in North Dakota and Minnesota demanded the investigative efforts not just of state authorities, but of Homeland Security.
And while state investigators traced the drugs back to a Grand Forks, North Dakota, drug dealer and self-styled "hobby chemist" named Andrew Spofford, the U.S. Attorney's Office received a call from Houston: Motion Research co-founder Harry Mickelis wanted to talk.
That's what Homeland Security agent Jim Grube testified in Carlton's December 2012 detention hearing. Of course, Mickelis was never mentioned by name — nor has his name been reported in the media . It's one of the perks of being a snitch. (Although Mickelis apparently wanted to talk to authorities, he didn't want to talk to the Press; he didn't respond to requests for comment sent via Facebook, and he removed his profile shortly after we contacted him.)
Among the spectators at the December hearing was a woman with a strong interest in Polinski's fate: his girlfriend, Mattingly.
Mattingly saw Polinski as a guy who might have made a dumb decision but one borne of financial desperation and whose role in the company was purely technical. She wondered how Polinski could face life behind bars when one of the men who had actually started the company, Mickelis, got to walk.
That's why Mattingly bristled when she heard Grube mention this "cooperator."
"Anyone in the room that knew anything about Motion, really, could figure it out," she says. "And it, God, took everything in me to bite my tongue..."
According to Grube, after the "cooperator" heard about the deaths and the arrest of Spofford, he went through Motion's records and discovered that Spofford had been a customer. This spooked him so much that he removed four hard drives from the office "in an effort to preserve evidence" and called his attorney. (Representatives of both Homeland Security's Houston office and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Fargo, North Dakota, declined to comment for this story.)
Grube testified that Spofford subsequently admitted to being a customer. Now they had two people pointing to Motion Research. In August 2012, agents executed search warrants at Carlton's Katy home, Motion Research's office and a UPS store post office box linked to the company.
At the Motion Research office, Grube testified, agents found drugs, international wire transfer records, invoices and a black briefcase containing a journal kept by Carlton that detailed his various experiences with a chemical called 4-ACODMT.
To Mattingly, it seemed, investigators were suggesting that Polinski and Carlton knew Spofford personally. According to Mattingly, however, the opposite was true. The first time they heard of the deaths in North Dakota and Minnesota, she says, was on a TV news program.
"They were devastated that it was linked to their product and that it was so grossly misused," she says. "When it comes down to it, they didn't have any way of knowing — the whole process was taken out of their hands the moment that product left the door."
It was shortly thereafter, Mattingly says, that "George [Mickelis] started acting differently. Started to get really flaky. Started to accuse Charles of doing business behind their backs...[He] kept changing phone numbers, kept changing his phones — it was really hard to get ahold of him."
For Debbie Bjerk, though, whose son had overdosed on drugs that came from Motion Research, Polinski was just as culpable as Carlton or the kid who provided the drugs at the party her son attended the night he died.
Even though the hit that killed her son Christian came from a batch stolen from the drug dealer's house, Bjerk says, "Without that company in Houston, my son would be alive today."
When asked how she felt about the company's co-founder escaping criminal charges in her son's death, she says, "I think anybody in that company that certainly knew what was going on and didn't...and went along with it and did nothing, they'll have to answer to their maker some day for their role in this. They should all be charged if they willingly did this and they knew that it was to be used for consumption of drugs."
Christian Bjerk's death has turned his mother into something of a crusader. She testified before her state's legislators about the need for a broader law encompassing all analogs. Such drugs are especially dangerous, she says, because they're described online as "synthetic," luring teens and young adults into a false sense of security — a belief that somehow the substances are safer than their "pure" counterparts. To her, nothing could be further from the truth.
"There are so many different strengths; there's never been any testing done on humans with these drugs," she says. "It's like playing Russian roulette."
Carlton and Polinski are facing the possibility of life in prison. They also owe the government $385,000 — the amount prosecutors say Motion Research cleared in its lifetime.
Mickelis, for now, is scot-free. Before he left Carlton and Polinski holding the bag, Mattingly says, he nearly cleaned out the company's account. Grube, the Homeland Security agent, testified that Motion Research had only a few thousand when it was raided.
However, the prosecution of 13 people in the Motion Research case has done absolutely nothing to curb the online sale of analogs. It hasn't even curbed the exchange of Motion Research's inventory, which some former customers are shilling online. In a February post on LegalHighGuides.com, a user was looking to unload approximately 440 mg of a drug called DALT that he claims he purchased from Motion Research. Last September, on another site, someone calling himself Eric the Man was also looking to sell his cache of Motion Research product, which he kept "refrigerated to make sure it didn't degrade."
Such shady deals are precisely why some consumers of analog drugs want them legalized and regulated. At least that's how the founder of chemsrus.com feels.
Calling himself Midas WS, the founder intends his online forum to be a "harm-reduction Web site." And unlike the moderators of some other sites, Midas was eager to answer the Press's questions about the Motion Research case and research chemicals in general.
"Unsound laws promote unsound people to run unscrupulous businesses," he writes. "Most of the new designer drugs are provided with very little information about dosage, route of administration, effects, etc., and this is where accidents and overdoses can and do happen. These legal substances are sold labeled as 'not for human consumption,' so no information can be given regarding any of this at the point of sale."
Moreover, "Very little is done to actually keep people safe. Instead, measures are made to keep people on the right side of the law, with little regard for their health."
In conclusion, he writes, "We are living in an age where information can be easily accessible, but if no information is tolerated and there are skewed laws in place that allow for no control other than putting a silly 'not for human consumption' label on products, tragedies such as the one in the 'Motion Research' case will continue to happen."
With the proliferation of online vendors, some of whom have live-chat capabilities on their sites to make buying analogs even easier, it seems Midas has a point.
In an online chat with a representative of one vendor, we wrote, "I'm interested in 25i. But I'm also a little nervous, since I'm in Texas and I was just reading about a bunch of people being busted for buying stuff from people who bought stuff off another Web site. Like, these people were so far removed from the original purchase, but they still got in trouble. So I guess I'm a little wary. Does that make sense?"
Our helpful customer service rep assured us, "You don't have to worry for anything."
The product, he wrote, would be coming from their distribution center in Richmond, Virginia, but our Western Union payment would go to their "branch in Turkey." The minimum purchase order would be 25 grams for $350.
Later we called the company on the phone and got the same rep. We again expressed our concern over the Motion Research bust, but again he assured us, "We do ship every day to Texas...to Houston, to Austin, to Dallas," and that it was "no problem." (We didn't order the stuff.)
Conceivably, Polinski and Carlton — but not the company's co-founder — could be imprisoned for the rest of their lives. But the product they sold, it seems, isn't going away.
Purveyors and Pimps of RCs who think they've outsmarted the law and that the Federal A.S.A doesn't apply to them should become prison pen pals with some of the fools who thought the same thing -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Web_Tryp
Budge didn't know what the powder was; it was something that had caught his eye after he broke into his weed dealer's apartment and found a box containing a few sweetener-sized packets of the stuff.
Natural Selection, the stupid die. Read erowid, buy a milligram scale, and you won't become a statistic.
I feel bad for the people that died and especially there family's. But if these stupid idiots did some research first they would still be here. Is this the land of the free, I really dont think it is anymore. We live in a police state, with a corrupt government that whats nothing more to control every aspect of our lives. Fuck the police, fuck the government. I cant wait for the anarchist revolution to start. We need to take these scumbags out of office. They are ruining our country.
The real thing that should concern all is this: "[under the] Federal Analog Act [which] became law in 1986, dealers of analog drugs — substances that bear chemical makeups substantially similar to those of old favorites like meth, cocaine and LSD — have sidestepped prosecution by selling drugs whose molecular construction has been tweaked enough to create something technically new..." this is INACCURATE because the law references EFFECTS of drugs rather that their chemical composition. What the analog act does is criminalize chemically altered states of consciousness. ANY chemical that makes you feel euphoric is defacto an analog and therefor illegal. It outlaws the psychedelic experience.
Sooooo the dudes BROKE INTO SOMEONES HOUSE and stole this mystery powder that they had NO IDEA what it was....DUMPED AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT in come chocolate and then ate it and were surprised they OD'd??? Then some dude throws out a massive line of the stuff thinking its coke or something?? Sounds like negligence of not the distributors of the chemical but the CRIMINALS who commited a robbery to obtain it instead of doing the research on it before throwing it down their throats. This is a tragedy no doubt BUT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THOSE GUYS WERE SMART.
Everyone is born dying. Some will rush that end no matter what others attempt to educate them. Users buy illegal drugs that are produced by underground system. Dealers very often feed their own addiction by reselling "cut" drugs. Anything can be mixed into your weed,coke, heroin or whatever. The sicker it makes you, the better the dealer. Self suicidals (aka dopers) shot horse tranquilizers, inhale freon, hotshot compressed air, choke themselves while masturbating. Inhale glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel.Cocaine, heroin, meth khat, ghb, Ecstasy . List never ends. Outlaw a drug & dealers change salt base to get around law. Every time some condemned- to- OD user dies, other users scream "this is why they should legalize all drugs". The mommys push to punish dealers like their Sweety children didn't choose to pollute their body with everything in hands reach. Not counting the damage that legal drugs already cause. Alcohol & prescription drugs are their own cluster f nuke strike. Want to help modern world? Dealers get instant bullet in head after conviction (like Chinese). Users get three strikes & then same bullet. Why continue wasting resources on those that would eat dog excrement if they thought it would make them dizzy? Wasted worthless births.
Kudos for writing an article that is relatively free of the fictional media hype that is common in many "bath salt" articles. It seems apparent that you have done some serious delving into the internet sub-culture that has grown around the online distribution of psycho actives substances.
It might be obvious that many people who are interested in this investigation are in fact connected to the "research chemical" scene in some way. I have frequented these sites for over a decade and in my opinion, they are both frightening and intriguing places.
On one hand, this is the bleeding edge of illicit drug use. Whatever disclaimers people may use or code they may speak in, I will call it as it is. On these sites, one can certainly see an evolving side of the recreational drug user. In general, those who use these sites are somewhat more educated and aware of the implications of their actions. Many posses a rudimentary knowledge of pharmacology and chemistry that is far beyond that of the average "junky".
On the other hand, the rate at which new compounds are being marketed and pushed on human guinea pigs is terrifying. The level of knowledge maybe greater in this sub-culture, but ignorance and misinformation are rampant. I have a MS. in biochemistry; I am by no means an expert in any fields related to the the chemicals being offered on these sites, but I do know enough that I cringe a bit when I see some of the things that people are selling.
I apologize for the long winded post. Articles like yours, albeit usually more sensationalized, are becoming more and more common as the use of grey area chemicals grows larger. Injury and death are inevitable consequences of the unstudied pharmacological profiles of these chemicals, as well as they non-existent standards of quality.
I hope your readers will consider that ineffective drug legislation is exactly what has created this situation. Legal loopholes and draconian prosecution of even "soft" drugs are the greatest factors that make grey area chemicals an attractive prospect to drug users.
Thank you again for the article. I will certainly be following this case and it will be interesting to see what sort of action is taken on a state and perhaps even national level.
Quote from the story;
"The story you are reading will no doubt be parsed to shreds on these forums faster than you can say "4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethytriptamine."
FYI, you spelled tryptamine wrong. I know, I know, spell check has problems with many of these long chemical names but given the context of your typographical error, it makes for a sweet tasty load of ironic justice. I almost hurt myself laughing so hard. If your going to try to make a point like that, you might want to thoroughly check your spelling.
I love that you used a naturally occurring tryptamine as an example when making a point involving synthetic chemicals. 4-hydroxy-N,N- dimethyltryptamine turns out to be Psilocin , the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, far from synthetic or designer, far from new, far from dangerous and very illegal I might add. More irony, just saying...
After reading the replies I have realized this isnt an open and shut case.
I feel sorry for the guys looking at life and I feel terrible for the families of the dead kids. Its just a terrible case all around. I think we can all agree on that.
I have kids so it hits close to home. I really wasn't trying to be so judgemental.
PPl like this should be taken off the street. The "rat" probably saved the lives of countless kids that had no idea what they had purchased. He probably saved the life of one of your friends kids if not yours. Stitchgiver get a clue.
Oh and I love how this article is judge and jury. What is up with that.
Wait, so Polinski is claiming to be the innocent IT guy? Who had a full-time salaried position at a company with two other people on staff? That's his story?
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Honestly, I couldn't agree more. Is anyone stupid enough to believe that making these research chemicals illegal will cause less people to misuse them? It will be just like the rest of drug prohibition (or alcohol prohibition in the 20s), where addiction rates remain the same or even rise. This country needs to adopt policies of harm prevention, and not blanket prohibition or else this same shit is going to keep happening. Seriously, this damn country needs to give people sovereignty over their bodies and stop reading drug dealers (and online vendors) as terrorists. I don't think Carlton killed these kids, prohibition killed them.
@anothercountyheard1 Go worship god faggot. what the fuck are you so worried about what people do behind closed doors. worry about your god damn self
Actually, your both wrong.
It pretty much means the following;
1. 'substantially similar chemical structure'
2. have effects similar to substance in Schedule I or II
3. someone represents it as having the effect of a controlled substance
means that a substance could make you "high" or "trip" or cause
"euphoria" and be completely legal as long as it's chemical structure
isn't substantially similar to a controlled substance. It also means
that it can have a substantially similar chemical structure to a
controlled substance and not cause substantially similar effects and it
would, again, be completely legal. It MUST FIRST BE substantially
similar in chemical structure, then you go 2 and/or 3 from there.
If the substance is not sold for consumption then it exempt from all of the above.
The one thing the law isn't clear about is what substantially similar really means, nobody really knows and they give no definition. Ask a chemist and then a lawyer and then a DEA agent, you will receive three different answers.
The full law;
Section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
"(32)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `controlled substance analogue' means a substance ---
"(i) the chemical structure of which is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I or II;
"(ii) which has a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulent, [sic] depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II; or
"(iii) with respect to a particular person, which such person represents or intends to have a stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I or II.
You're an idiot. You proclaim cutting costs and killing dealers and users. Wouldn't it be way cheaper (and also not violate people's sovereignty over their bodies) to just legalise drugs, but provide information to keep responsible users safe? The dumb ones who have no regard for their bodies will die and not be a drain on the system, and the responsible ones will actually be able to live in a free country.
It would be much cheaper and cleaner to legalize them all and let Darwin sort them out. You wouldn't even need to buy bullets.
I agree with much of what you said (especially about this article not being sensational like the bath salts debacle). Given what you said about new drugs always being created to side step laws, don't you think that drug use is something that humans instinctively do (perhaps on the level of eating and sex). Wouldn't legalizing drugs, but providing information to make use safe for responsible people being the best policy? I mean otherwise the government keeps making more drugs illegal (which by the way, doesn't really deter use) allowing avenues for chemists to make money with new research chemicals that are not understood all that well.
4-HO-DMT is Psilocin. (This is what the article referred to)
4-PO-DMT is Psilocybin.
Look it up...
what kind of parent would I be to let my brain dead son who was having one siezer after another stay on life support when he was already gone? You are an idiot >>> And lets make it clear My son was murdered. He had no idea what he was given. People like you have no heart and who in the right mind would ever say something like that about grieving parents. SHAME ON YOU...
@ThoughtController "If your going go try to make a point like that..."
You mean "you're." If you're going to try to make a point like that, you might want to thoroughly check your spelling.
See how annoying and entirely beside the point that is? But thank you for elevating this discourse and bringing something of value and relevance to the table. My hat's off to you.
Intoxication is a basic human drive. There will always be a new thing on the street. You little this, some new chemical with an entirely different structure his the street in 6 months. You can't legislate morality. The best thing our government could do is legalise drugs, but provide safe avenues to get untainted drugs and provide other harm reduction services. Putting people in prison for exploring their minds means criminalizing human nature. Prohibition has done nothing to reduce drug use; so you really expect that to change?
@kingsford While I agree that the rat probably slowed things down, a long term solution needs to be considered if we really want to get a grip on our children, before someone in another state starts whispering in their ear.
@craig.malisow, you need to consider how much you threaten our children with this article as well. I appreciate your overall message, but providing people with links is like signing their death sentence.
If Carlton and Polinski can be held guilty for someone's crime going bad, then you should be held guilty for every single naive child you just navigated. Especially when young children think they are invincible. "It won't happen to me."
Also, I really doubt this company sold to kids. It seems like these "kids" that died didn't even know what they had, much less how to legitimately obtain it.
Remember, not only are these chemicals not controlled or scheduled, they are still readily available in the USA. The author of this article even pointed that out.
Either you didn't completely read the article or you have trouble with reading comprehension. It appears this company sold pure chemicals with MSDSs (material safety data sheets). Their customers knew exactly what they were getting. Now, if someone breaks into one of their customers homes and steals something, not only is the perpetrator lucky they weren't killed on the spot for burglary, they chose to use their ill gotten gains in a manor that caused their deaths.
If someone breaks into your house and steals a gun and kills a couple people with it, is the gun store you bought the gun from liable? Before you say that's a stupid argument, think about how ethical the gun industry is. Everyone involved in gun sales and manufacture and distribution undoubtedly KNOWS that some of their products WILL be misused. They still sell these extremely dangerously products on every corner though. They are used for killing people right?
Secondly, The "rat" in question obviously cooperated to save his own skin, he didn't care about the questionable ethics of this business or he wouldn't have co-founded it in the first place.
Use your brains people and don't jump on the sensationalism bandwagon.
@kingsford you've got to be joking. The only crime here was committed by the dealer, especially for not having his chemicals secured properly in a lab setting. The vendor in question did NOTHING wrong.
@stitchgiver Not sure what your point is, really.
@rrivas1111 You need to understand that your son probably wanted to die, it had nothing to do with anything you did or didn't do. Just let it go, don't blame the drugs okay?
You know, if the government hadn't made cannabis (which is virtually harmless by the way) so called synthetic cannabis possibly would not have been created and definitely wouldn't have risen to the level of popularity it did.
@rrivas1111 ... why would any intelligent teenager consume fake pot "spice" when real pot is so readily available everywhere in the U$A ?
@rrivas1111 This story has absolutely nothing to do with synthetic marijuana
@ThoughtController ....+10 points for accuracy
Well... touche, to a minor degree. I happened upon one of the top ten most common misspelled words. Like you're misspelling, spell check was completely impotent to assist me.
On the other hand, my typographical error, unlike yours, had nothing to do with the context of the of the point I was trying to make. I think you are overlooking the gravity of the statement surrounding your error. You just gave the people that will be trashing your statements ammunition to do so. Did that escape you?
Also, I'm not the least bit annoyed by your correction. I don't write for a living and I appreciate criticism when it is beneficial to the task at hand.
You have a point. For all you law breakers out there, not only did Craig point out what chemical makes you trip, he pretty much gave out a source for it and clued us in on availability and prices. Have at it kids. It's pretty cheap too. Considering how potent it is (dose is .5mg) $350 for 25g goes a long way!!! (That equates to 12,500 doses for $350. No need to pull out the calculator)
We all have different levels of appreciation for irony, I respect that.
@ThoughtController @craig.malisow Not to keep beating this dead horse, but I don't think there's any "gravity" in that typo. Look, ThoughtController (as an aside, let me point out how much I love bickering with a person who hides behind a screen name) the story before you is a 4,000-plus word look into a particular federal investigation. I'm sorry if one misspelled word destroys the credibility of the entire piece. The fact that I have not lived up to your rigorous journalistic standards will give me night terrors, I assure you. Again, my hat's off, dude.
Not that it really makes a lot of difference to me, but the fact that you have chosen to home in on the misspelling of a chemical composition in a joke about the likelihood of an online community to nitpick over a bit of esoterica actually supports the forest-for-the-trees point I was trying to (lightheartedly) make.
Don't be offended if I don't reply to whatever witty retort you'll post next. It's just that I can only spend so much time through the looking glass, y'dig?
I would say that almost anyone, let alone kids, teens and those with drug seeking behaviors, outside of this publications reader base, would have a greater chance and be more likely to come across information that would give them the opportunity buy hundreds of different extremely potent chemicals, than they would be to come across this story.
This idea that some how information in and of itself could even be accused of being responsible for a persons death is completely absurd.
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So you condemn Google for assisting those "kids" in their search for RCs ...
Not all kids know where to get deadly chemicals on the internet. Many of them just need a little direction. The position the other poster and I were taking is that they shouldn't be assisted at all.
@ThoughtController You got me, dude. Prior to the publication of this article, no kids anywhere knew how to get drugs.